Underground Mining in the weeds (Tucker and Dahmer Part 1)

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Righto buddy Miners, we have got
a differentiated episode here

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for you.
I'll be the best way to explain

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this.
Yeah, couple of me old mates

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from back in the day, we thought
why not give a bit of insight

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from the true underground mining
perspective of what goes on down

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there to produce these numbers?
Mate, there's no better people

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to do it than Jeffrey Dahmer
Elder and Mr. David Tucker.

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This was a blast from the past,
Maddie, you know your your

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podcasting career started off by
you speaking to the real people

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of mining, the people who you
know you worked underground with

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for a lot of it.
That was the Life of Mine

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podcast.
You can still check out some of

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those the great interviews
you've got on the life of my

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podcast YouTube channel.
And it just felt like we went,

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we went back in time and I got
to be part of one of your life

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of mine podcast with Tucker and
Dharma, who are just the most

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authentic people who are clearly
super passionate about what they

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do.
It was it was a privilege.

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Oh it.
Was good fun.

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So yeah, yeah.
And I think it'll be good for

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just the intricacies of a day to
day working underground and the

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pressure of everything from what
the stock market expects, what

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the management expects and the
people that are down there

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actually doing the job.
She ain't easy.

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She ain't easy.
I couldn't keep up with the

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beers.
Oh, far out lucky, I bought 2

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cartoons.
Holy snapping duck shit.

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Yeah, now they're flying down.
So now I've gone through very

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carefully.
There was one specific word that

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was mentioned about 600 times,
and I've pretty sure I've muted

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them all out if I haven't.
I've tried really hard, I've

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searched it, I think I've done
it.

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It's bloody a lot of editing
work.

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So she's A2 parter.
We've this went for we're

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recording for three hours.
So Part 1 we're going into

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infrastructure underground, the
bloody the new jumbos.

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What what it means when
infrastructure or development is

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too fast.
Development is too slow, held on

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a day to day.
So here we go.

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It might no better for the
people that represent the

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underground mining, underground
mining industry, Tucker and

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Dharma.
The only other worthy mention is

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MMS who represent the open pit
part of the industry as the go

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to contractor.
So you think Tucker and Dharma

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for underground?
You think MMS for open pits?

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So that is all I need to say.
They should be moving your open

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pit dirt I.
Mean, I every time I walk out of

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here, I just notice MMS polos
now, have you seen that when you

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go to the barmaid room, they're
everywhere.

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MMS polos are everywhere.
Which means MMS is taking over

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the world, which means they're
moving someone else's dirt, but

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not yours yet.
So like, give them a call, get

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them mining your dirt now so
you're making money smartly,

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MMS.
Thank you very much.

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Let's get into Tucker and Dharma
righto money orders.

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We've got a special trait.
We're heading back to the bloody

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the OG days and we've grabbed,
you'd say 2 blokes out of the

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bottom 95%.
Jumbo operators in Australia

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representing the underground
mining industry.

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My good mates Tucker and Dharma
welcome back.

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Boys, how are we?
Oh.

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Good to see.
Yeah, come down here, we've got

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exports, which on the dingo man,
there's no exports.

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Yeah, you do a draught 2
cartoons.

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I've strategically put you next
to the fridge.

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Yeah, you have, yeah.
Reminiscence of the Good Old Day

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and I'm.
Drinking the out of date Swan.

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So he's really, he's really put
on a.

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Spread.
He's got some.

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At least the BBQ chips are
quality.

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That's the.
Best Tucker, give us some bloody

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Yeah.
I just want a bit of brief

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context for your T shirt that
you've got on the KV-90 fivers.

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Oh, there was a bit of a rumour
around that mining company had

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the top 5% operators in
Australia.

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So when we finished cutting the
six portals at Kathleen Valley,

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we decided obviously make a
startup shirt, you know, so they

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went the KV-90 fivers.
The other 95% just just take it

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along mate.
Just bending bolts, leaving pre

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collars.
That's.

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What we're doing.
Flat right, get paid, go on.

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Yeah, horrible audience, boys.
We're doing a bit of a

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underground spectacular cause
everyone's like probably sick of

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me talking about it and I've
lost my credibility If I had any

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washed up has been never was
bring a couple of experts from

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the industry because no one else
knows anyone.

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No one else other than me knows
whether he's a good or shit.

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So we're gonna go through we're
although we'd go through the

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common shit that we hear in ASX
announcements.

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I'm sure you read them all.
Oh.

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Absolutely.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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What they actually mean from
your perspective?

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Still down there because I've
forgotten it all, but.

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All I know is fucking Don't Ask
is who he reckons is the best

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people to buy shares for.
Four or four that he's given me

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I've bought and they've almost
all of them have halved.

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Bullshit.
How to check that list of?

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Fucking oath mate.
All full 4 and up.

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At the end of this I can.
Guarantee you.

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I can guarantee I was like, what
I need to do is get his list,

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wait three weeks for that, load
a tank and then I'll buy like

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that's what I need to do that's.
You can be the reception.

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That's been your.
Theory and you can be the

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interest you generate some
popularity.

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Now that they've removed your
financial credibility buddy, can

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you also remove his mining
credibility?

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Was he any good on the jumbo?
It was.

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It was.
Alright, it was alright

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actually.
It was.

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Definitely better than Dharma
it.

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Was that's not hard, I reckon
you'd give me a nipper on

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tension you. 1st.
Touches me, I reckon, like.

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We we made Tucker at the.
Best we were awful because we'd

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be doing our handover just
talking shit about break all

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fucking what there's like
nothing to do with work, and

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then he'd fuck off and I'd go to
the meeting and then I'm like

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fuck, I don't even know where
the jumbo is like dig me phone

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out of your locker, message me
what wait, what do I need?

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What is why that's right.
This like did not even talk

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about work at all.
Like nothing at.

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All that's sort of bloody
couldn't handle if we if you

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were on leave or like and I had
to cross shit someone else that

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was probably heaps better, but
they were like so diligent, like

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this is what you need.
You did this, you did this.

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I'm like, mate, you're a fucking
Dick head.

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Like stop telling me what to do
and what?

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Stop being so serious.
I'm like, I want Tucker back.

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Not that we're probably the best
for the business, but fuck,

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we're good for morale.
Well, good for morale.

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Good for morale.
Oh, right.

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Where are we going to start?
I thought the the infamous old

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development versus production,
the balance and you hear, we

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hear it does.
CHEAT SHEET.

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Here.
Oh no, that's right.

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I've seen it.
Wing it man.

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That's.
Good.

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You'll be right.
God, if you don't know it by

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now, you're never gonna.
Oh.

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I've never got it.
Well, you see, we see in the I,

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in the releases, the especially
when they start stopping.

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We've seen it recently, the
Stopes come online, the bloody

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trying to get the stope tonnes
out mixed with the development

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tonnes, the priorities, the
egos.

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Let's start with what happens if
development is too fast

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underground.
What does it do to the operation

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in terms of material movement?
As soon as they turn the mill

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on, they need the stoked tonnes
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But if development's gone too
quick, how does that impact

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things, boys?
Well, it makes it pretty shit

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for us.
It gets hot.

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Speaking to the fucking Mott.
Farmer, you didn't turn the cut

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on last time, sorry.
I find that obviously they got

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to move tonnes to the mill and
then especially as it gets away

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from a more development mine to
a production mine, the priority

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is tonnes out and sometimes the
contract even changes to reflect

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that.
They get put like I think 12:00

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When we were there it was all
about tonnes hoisted.

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Yeah, you know, so and so as it
transitions to that, it's like

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fucking open a bogger breaks
down, they're going to load

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trucks and bog the start long
before they're gonna do your

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clean up or or bog, you know,
bog the decline stockpiles out

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sort of thing.
So you've if everything turns to

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shit, everything gets stolen to
keep production going.

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And then, you know, we just you
suffer basically.

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And then if as your flight gets
older, it's inevitable, isn't

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it?
Breakdown.

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So that's exactly right.
That sort of shit.

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What what about like, you know,
so so you're scheduled to fire 4

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cuts or something to shift and
so 8 for the 24 and they drop 10

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or 11 and I suppose, but you
still gotta get your production

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tonnes out like in and around
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It's a double edge.
And like the the idle time

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'cause it's like, well you got
dirt everywhere.

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I remember some mines where
there's like every part of the

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city is fucking pulse.
Stash city old drawers would

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just be like people would be
just not even supposed to be in

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there, man.
Fucking the people would be out

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there stashing.
It's just fucking like there's

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nowhere to put it.
Trucks can't even turn around

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like, you know, like it's just
it just becomes ridiculous and

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it's a it's a shit show, man.
And then everyone's on top of

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each other.
No one can park anywhere.

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Like you go down to your job
fucking every stockpiles flowing

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out either you can't park there.
You couldn't even park an LV

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there.
So then like between spots you

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can stop and pass trucks while
there's, you know, big

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interactions, hundreds and
hundreds of metres.

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It just turns into a shit show
basically.

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You're almost better off
stashing two of those cuts

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rather than fire you 10.
Keep two straight off the cuff

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and ready to go for the start of
the next shift.

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Never happened, just thank you.
The shift bosses got their own

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glorious with.
Contest in the morning.

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And I gotta fucking show me a
little tic tac compared to

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everyone else's tic.
Tac And how good is it?

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You fuck it all up.
You got fucking 3 jumbos parked

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up the next day because you only
got 2 boggers.

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One of them's fucked everybody
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Productions, productions,
productions king.

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Oh fuck the jumbos.
They can just sit there.

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So you find 40 metres in a shift
but then you just fire a fucking

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doughnut the next day.
I'm a waste of time.

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I'm going.
To say this a lot, this this

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fucking next hour or so.
What does stash and stash and

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two cuts mean?
So if you'd say you got like a

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little escape way turn out, but
you obviously haven't mined the

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escape ways, like fucking just
feel that the dirt straight up

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like it's all these drives that
are done and they should be

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ready to be used as something
else.

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They just get filled up with
dirt and you hope one day you

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get enough trucks and time that
you can move the dirt and.

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Then they they want to put the
escape way in.

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Yeah, that's why we've got,
we've got a priority is Boggle

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all that shit out of the escape
way so you can actually.

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Put the grade how many times?
How many times?

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At some of the places we've
worked, they'll feel like an

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old, old access to all, like
fill it.

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Yeah, we had to talk thousands
of tonnes of waste and it's

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like, Oh no, I've got an oil
body out there.

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It's like, oh shit, yeah, you
got 600 trucks in there.

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So like that, everyone's been
squirrelling away for the last

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four months.
Gotta move it.

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So then that's it.
Like you've got a truck, all

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that.
You've built up all the water,

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it's flooded.
You've just fucked all the mesh

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because it was mesh to grade.
You've bombed everybody.

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Pushes up.
It's grapes.

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Everything so.
This like dysfunction happen

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because people like maybe manage
whatever they're like short term

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thinking about a. 100%, it's all
about come to the end of quarter

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or end of financial year, it's
going to get their bonuses, got

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to hit their targets, seen it so
many times.

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So many times it's.
Just right, pillage and plunder,

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get your answers or get your
quotas depending on what they do

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and then come there first.
It's like righto, let's fix the

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fucker you've created and start
again.

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You know what I mean?
It's a shit way to work.

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It's it's awful way to work as
an operator side.

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But it happens everywhere.
Yeah.

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Years and years and years.
You get to that end of financial

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years, they've got to prove to
the shareholders and everything

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that we're going to deliver on
what we said they have.

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Oh, that's good.
You had an old fucking year to

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do it, you stupid fucking Yeah.
Yeah.

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I've got to pause this outside
of any time, but you know what I

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mean.
Like a.

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Lot of beats going on.
Here, Fuck.

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Why is it a race?
Why is it a fucking race in the

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last week of the end of
financial?

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Year, that's poor planning.
It's that's poor planning.

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That's you've had a whole year
to do it like fair enough.

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Not everything can go according
to plan like shit happens, meals

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breakdown or yeah for sure just.
Accept that rather than like,

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yeah, rather than like, fuck
everything to get that thing and

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then hope, hopefully you have a
miracle run the next quarter.

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You know what I mean?
Eventually you've got to like,

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eventually balls got to stop.
Exactly.

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But the worst thing is, is that
no one wants to face the music

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and want to keep rolling that
fucking ball.

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And hopefully they get
transferred or they get a new

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job or whatever.
And then the next bloke coming

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in holding a big bag of shit and
then like, you know, straight up

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like it's that, that's what it
is, man.

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It's 100.
But how much?

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The next year they're not going
to fucking give you less targets

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because they fucked themselves
at the end of the last one, are

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you?
Oh, we delivered.

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So it's going to be bigger this
year.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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What do you got?
Oh, you've got a month of BOG

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and everything out full of waste
because we just fucked you all

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over.
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, with the material, like
when you've got shit loaded dirt

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everywhere, like say you got say
you got the best Jambo crew in

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there.
Yeah.

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And like they're getting 40%
more metres than crew, that's

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not as good.
You got the best operators

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there.
And it's like, how much, how

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much times have you seen where
all that a lot of that dirt is

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because they're over developing
more than they really need to be

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on schedule.
But yeah, and you got to move

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that dirt because you got to
keep them going because they'll

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just leave because they're
bloody on fucking $6000.

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A day it's bittersweet in it
like because look, the flat rate

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versus contract fucking contract
debate forever.

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Like if you're paying people
good money and a flat rate,

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they're going to be more open to
the ideas of slowing down

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because it's not costing them
money.

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You know what I mean?
We've all, we all would have

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seen it.
We've all worked contract, we've

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all worked flat, right?
And that's that in the end of

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it.
That's the main thing it's you

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turn from being so focused on
your own cash to being more of a

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cycle monitor you don't mind
putting up fucking, you know,

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your big service hangers and
I'll fix that mesh or I'll just

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pull up now.
That's no good.

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Let's get it done.
It's not costing you 300 bucks.

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Yeah, yeah, you know what I
mean.

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I'm a big believer in the flat
rates.

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I reckons fucking good.
The.

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My opinion which is worth as
much you pay for it.

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Fuck all flat rate compared to
contracting.

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Contracting human nature man
will be to cut every corner be

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it safety or quality.
Like the quality is always shit

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ass Guaranteed there's way more
corners being cut to get your

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made is get your cuts.
I've done it years and years and

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years of contracting like I've
done it.

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Saying that, you know, but flat
rate you like yeah, it's right

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we feed our targets it's like
all right, well here's this dead

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heading that fucking everyone's
neglected because it's not on

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our schedule let's go stitch it
out let's do that rehab let's oh

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pull ring foul here let's go
replace that ball.

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You know, instead of like, oh
fuck, we haven't done that three

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months later we got to put a box
in because we haven't done you

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know what I mean because
everything just keeps moving

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forward.
The quality comes back.

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You know, that's what I've
found.

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Whereas contractors like they
don't give a fuck man.

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It's all about firing cuts and
and moving tonnes.

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It's.
Yeah, how much there wouldn't

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be?
Is there many people on

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contract?
These are all the highest paid

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ones I know are all on flat
right?

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Like the big guns?
Yeah, I wouldn't, wouldn't know.

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I wouldn't know, to be honest.
I don't know many people on

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contract anymore to be honest.
Yeah, I don't think it's so much

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full contract as it was anymore.
Like I remember being on like a

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a base and then.
When I went to Birmingham, they

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had like a yeah.
What was it like a piece right

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pool?
I'm not It wasn't a direct

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contract.
It was very similar to what man

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you had Maddie when we're at
John D like same jumbo for our

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swing and we got it's a jumbo
contract.

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Yeah, yeah, that's right.
We had we had that you.

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Know I mean when she did still
give us a bit yeah had to

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fucking hell mate good on good
on good on you alright so you

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get embarrassed the the two the
two men Jundee that made us into

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men Tucker.
Big Daddy Brema.

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Oh God love him.
But I agree on a jumbo contract

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way over a personal contract
'cause you don't fuck your cross

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shift over.
Yeah, that's the big thing that

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I like, you know what I mean?
Look, say 1 bloke's faster.

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The other bloke's not as quick
as learning or whatever.

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You know what I mean?
You'll take your time to get him

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to fix the rig, you'll still
teach him.

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But the other guy, Blitzer, and
you're still making money.

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Good bank.
Yeah, exactly.

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You know what I mean?
If you're competing for your own

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right, you're like, oh that
Shank, it'll get five more holes

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for knock off.
You're all in this fucking oil

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leak there and the shakes buck
straight up.

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You're.
Not even a bad hose, it's just

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leaking a little bit like.
Just sweeping the.

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Fucking.
Just fucking 4 bucks a 4 bucks a

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litre maker.
Here's it out.

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Watch.
It's all.

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Which is like oil.
Cheap.

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Yeah, Tucker would be like,
yeah, blue eyes.

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And there's a rag around it, so
it's not spraying.

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Oil's cheap.
Well, this fucking.

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Comparison.
Oil's cheap.

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But then I found out I'm like
tucky, you know?

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Oil's like 4 bucks a litre.
He's like, fucking serious.

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Yeah.
Oh no.

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But that's the old Tucker.
The KV-95 a year.

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Without sounding disrespectful,
no matter what it cost, they're

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still going to buy the fucking
thing, aren't they?

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She'll be right still.
Have he's been in cases where

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development was too slow and
they're up your fucking ass

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bloody?
Production is.

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Production's up.
Awful.

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It's the worst.
It is the worst because I read

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your bloody question thing that
I was up early of nights and

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I'll singing about.
I was like the worst thing ever

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is when production is right on
developments ask because it

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creates all the interactions you
got.

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You know, you boggle from a draw
point while the jumbos at the

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ends, you got to have, you know,
refuge chambers, all that sort

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of shit.
You got the entire fucking fleet

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coming to get a load plus all
the boggers and everything

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working.
So by the time you get the air

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she's been deep fried.
You know, like.

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You're going a refuge chamber
for the listeners, Tucker.

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So you get a fixed refuge
chamber that can hold, what, 20

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people and they're they're
usually near the main declines

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and they're the main refuges.
And that's where you go.

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Things go to fucking.
Yeah, truck catch on fire or

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everything spirals out of
control.

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That's that's where you go
basically.

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But if if there's a boggle
loading trucks in in the level

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and there's no second means of
egress being an escape way or

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anything like that, you have to
have a portable refuge chambers.

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Basically like a little mini
version.

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They pick up with the IT and
drop it, hook it into the air

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header and you know, if
everything turns to shit, you

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can't get out because the truck
and bogger are on fire, you can

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go there and survive Basic.
Well, fucking yeah.

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Fucking well.
You hope so, but like that,

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that's the theory I'm.
Calling it a poor man but I call

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bullshit.
Like have you seen half the mine

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as well?
You do, you would.

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Have to.
You'd have to gross yours up to

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get.
Yourself.

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There, I reckon.
Fucking hell you wouldn't.

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On the way out you're getting
roasted fucking.

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I'm a give it not a take it
down.

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I'll say no bro.
That's all I can't on man well

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before.
So there.

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So do you have to Kate?
Yeah, obviously cases where you

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got, you got a jumbo up one end
and then you got a bloody telly

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remote bogger up the other end.
So you're developing a drive

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still, and then you're remoting
that drive.

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The remote and the remote to a
stockpile that they can access

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another thing and then there
might be another bogger loading

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truck.
So you got, you know, provided

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they can put put enough
ventilation into legally run it.

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Yeah, you're fucking getting
cooked, man.

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Like, you know, and you're up
there bending bolts thinking

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you're a legend and your nippers
like fucking you.

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And then he was the funniest guy
in high school and now he's

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fucking throwing bolts sweating
his hole out all day like.

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Yeah, you've got solos on the
other side and below you.

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You're just trying to take a
measly old cup for 300 bucks and

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some sitting in the air con
noise stealing all your fucking

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water.
Probably not even using the just

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pushed auto drill like.
Do it.

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Sudoku or something do nothing.
Yeah, just fucking burnt out.

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Netflix, watch everything.
There's nothing there.

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Just fuck the whole show, you
know?

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Which ones?
Which cases do you remember

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where production is right up the
ass of development?

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Is it narrow vine mines or?
Tell for when we were there

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because that contract was
production member yeah and I

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remember vividly.
But that was a cave like.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that's a whole different base

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to offers, like a whole
different base.

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But like, we'd run out of water.
Well, I don't know, something

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would happen.
We'd have fuck all water.

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So obviously it's so deep then
it'll take so long to drain.

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So the jumbo's be the first ones
to get shut down.

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So you can imagine 5 pests in a
dual cab Ute driving around like

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doing coffee runs.
Like just annoying the fuck out

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of everyone because like solos
keep running because they want a

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production, you know, like and
sprays at the draw points of the

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production.
Production boggers can keep

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bogging like it was just, and
we're just like, bored as fuck,

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Yeah, you know.
Like 10 grands worth of wage

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just.
Yeah, driving around.

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It's like 8. 100 bucks a ship
back there, yeah.

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Yeah.
That's probably that's there was

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no money there.
That's why I did not leave until

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because I was like wanted more
money, but it's not it was not a

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metre right place.
It was just you could just

454
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,880
cruise or you could go hard you
like you know what I mean?

455
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,880
There was no massive pressure on
development metres but makes you

456
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,800
fucking lazy as fuck.
Like it's easy just to park up

457
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,240
or whatever.
Like there's no.

458
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,480
Well, you're getting the habit
of it being acceptable.

459
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,000
Yeah.
Yeah.

460
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,080
They change your mentality.
You're gonna go back to, like, a

461
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,480
contract workforce almost to
inspire your own.

462
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,120
Because I want to have a crack.
I remember Spags.

463
00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:04,040
I don't know if you ever worked
with.

464
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,160
Oh, he's great.
No, Yeah, Yeah.

465
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,040
But when I.
He had he had the C spanners on

466
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,440
his hand.
Yeah, he did want to turn his

467
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,400
Polly up with his hand, but what
do you want to Spanish bags?

468
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,280
He's like, I've got fucking two
right here.

469
00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,360
He was a weapon, absolute
legend.

470
00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,960
But I remember I was losing my
shit 'cause it was just fuck, it

471
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,680
was disorganised.
Like bigger, bigger than mine is

472
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,440
more of a shit show.
It is basically.

473
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,160
And he's just like, you just
gotta, you just gotta accept it.

474
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,200
Like, you know what I mean?
Like you'd be you'd roll in and

475
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,000
then someone plugged into your
power and you're like fucking,

476
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,320
you know, follow it.
There's a solo you call the

477
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,120
ship.
Oh, he's there on the whole

478
00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:40,400
clan.
Yeah, you just have to wait.

479
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,600
Fuck fucking just wait.
Was a solos fucking finger and

480
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,720
he's do it running hot.
Things are and you're just like.

481
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,320
Fuck SO24 with a burn.
Diesel lock, it's just like

482
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,760
you're like.
Yeah, I need the air going on

483
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:57,720
because it's 31.
Went oh Jesus, I can't believe I

484
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,000
was even fat there, man.
It would sit on the back of the

485
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,560
Ute that's why that's how long,
Long ago.

486
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,640
His bench seat with seatbelts in
the back of the tray with like,

487
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,280
a little bloody canopy thing.
And you'd be in there.

488
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,840
You'd be sweating all day.
I was so filthy hot.

489
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,920
And then you'd be coming up and
it's going to be cold as fuck.

490
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,400
He'd be smoking a rolly dump.
He'd be like, huddled together a

491
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,360
lot.
Beers, Yeah, fucking beers, you

492
00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:25,040
know, 16 beers later, fuck you.
Like shit.

493
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,040
Go to work the next day, do it
every day.

494
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,840
Oh God, it was punishment it.
Was good though, yeah.

495
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,720
Fuck, it was good.
Good pizzas up there.

496
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,960
Side jeez all drunks and piss at
that joint went to earth feeling

497
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,800
fucked and I'd sweat it out in
about 5 minutes standing in the

498
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,240
main decline.
Yeah, the fuck is going on here,

499
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,080
you know?
You drive into your level and as

500
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,040
soon as you get in off the main
fresh airway, the decline and

501
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,640
just the window just fogs up and
made it you like fuck my life

502
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,120
because you're hungover and you
just know as soon as you open

503
00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:57,200
that door it's going to be so
filthy, hot and humid like it's.

504
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,200
Not barley, but not having Jumbo
on you.

505
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,200
Yeah, Yeah.
And you know that someone's just

506
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,280
wrapped the rag around the hose
and.

507
00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:08,760
What a suppression man, Yeah.
That's it.

508
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,480
Just locking it in there.
It's asbestos.

509
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,720
Yeah, we hear about, we see the
word infrastructure a lot in the

510
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,200
announcements.
Yeah, pressure on

511
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,000
infrastructure.
What are you?

512
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,120
What's your definition of
infrastructure?

513
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,080
Everything.
Well, do you want to ask me or

514
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,960
you want to?
Ask yourself, you like if you

515
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:24,640
tell me?
What?

516
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:30,600
Let's go with pumping.
Ventilation, air, water, power.

517
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:32,520
What else you got?
That's it.

518
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,200
I.
That's generally speaking,

519
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,960
that's yeah, that's.
Your machine comms and all that

520
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,080
sort of stuff.
And now fibre optics is a big

521
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,640
thing, getting lots of new minds
running fire optic down because

522
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,800
of all the remoting and all that
sort of stuff.

523
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,600
Is fire.
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's it's

524
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,560
definitely become a new big
thing that I've seen.

525
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,960
And are they using it for data
or there's the data ones as

526
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,160
well?
Yeah, I guess so.

527
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,240
Like, fuck, I don't know, man.
I just drew holes like it's come

528
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,560
on.
Tucky maybe, or more.

529
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,440
You've got the iPads to fill
your shit in.

530
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,560
Yeah, but when they connect to
fuck when they get to the.

531
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,160
Office and connect to the Wi-Fi.
I think I'm trying to get them

532
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,920
to connect.
Under it, it will happen

533
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,440
eventually.
So it's going to be like,

534
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,080
instead of having to do like the
fucking timeline, yes please.

535
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,440
A timeline to tell you what your
day's doing.

536
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,920
It'll be a live feed, so fucking
you'll finish your heading,

537
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,320
punch in your details and they
know.

538
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,920
So now they've got a fucking
log, but they've got to set up

539
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,680
all the Wi-Fi down there in
order for the so like we run the

540
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,480
live 1, which I'm all for.
I think it's fucking wicked.

541
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,800
So I'll also get that password
straight up.

542
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,000
I bet it's.
Downloaded all beforehand

543
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,160
anyway, it doesn't even matter.
But yeah, look, so the Wi-Fi,

544
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,920
once it's running, it'll just be
you can sit there and watch what

545
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,160
every joke is doing.
So what?

546
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,040
What's it?
What's it mean to use when

547
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,040
infrastructure needs to be
upgraded or falls behind?

548
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,280
Well, the.
Biggest one Fucking pissed off

549
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,280
is what that means, yeah.
The Damas not happy.

550
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,280
You're not getting metres or
like.

551
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,040
No, no, no, look, why make it so
fucking hard for the sake?

552
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,000
You know exactly what's coming.
You fire 4 cuts, you need 20

553
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,080
metres event if you're any good,
but you know what I mean.

554
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,080
Look, you've got a bunch of
people that drive around

555
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,480
underground with no set
destination.

556
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,960
They don't have to fucking be
anywhere.

557
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,920
They can go to every single
active heading you got.

558
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,200
Have a look at it.
You're auto event and pull your

559
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,040
shit here.
You write it in a fucking book

560
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,160
and you come up and you make it
happen, you know?

561
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,880
Guys, it's bad planning if
you've got to wait.

562
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,000
Fucks me off man.
Yeah it makes me real angry.

563
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,040
I never used to get upset about
vent but now I do.

564
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,320
Fuck when when did?
You not get upset underground.

565
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,280
Oh no, I was always upset
underground, I said about.

566
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,160
I said about Bent.
Cock, Yeah.

567
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,360
Everything else, yeah, no
worries.

568
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,120
OK.
I can put it instruction like if

569
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:42,880
you've advanced 30 metres and
vent and services aren't

570
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,640
extended 30 metres, what does
that mean?

571
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,440
It's just, well actually we've
got mines regs too, like the

572
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,640
vents got to be within a certain
distance from the face and, and

573
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,280
produce a certain amount of
cubic metres like to basically

574
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,560
ventilate the drive and cool and
cool you've got, so you've got

575
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,200
all the actual mines Reg
restrictions.

576
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,960
But if you've got a, you know,
you've services your water, air,

577
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,080
water, everything's 50-60 metres
back.

578
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,880
You got to physically, well, not
so much now the jumbos have got

579
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,000
a hose reel, but you like used
to be physically roll 60 metres

580
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,920
of water hose onto the back of
the jumbo, like filled with

581
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:17,880
water.
Yeah.

582
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,160
Every time you go somewhere like
it's, it's just time.

583
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,840
It's all about time.
It's all about the more time

584
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,480
you're drilling holes or bending
bolts or doing whatever you're

585
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,720
doing.
But if you're rolling out hoses

586
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,400
and fucking fucking around doing
all that sort of stuff or sweat,

587
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,240
like the hotter you get, you
sweat your ass off.

588
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,720
You might be good to a crib and
after lunchtime that's an ass.

589
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,440
You're good for fuck all you're
walking because you just cooked

590
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,000
like you know you're working 30
plus degree wet bulb all day

591
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,800
sweating because you got no vent
or you got no air flow.

592
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,280
It just kills you just like so
you you're losing productivity.

593
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,600
Productivity there as well.
You know, rinse your machine.

594
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,320
Look, you got no vent.
You start cooking power packs,

595
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,560
you got no water, your machine's
going to shut down.

596
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,640
You're not making any fucking
money in that contract

597
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,920
mentality.
Look, it's a snowball effect,

598
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,200
man.
You start to leave the one

599
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,520
percenters behind and all that
basic stuff that should be

600
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,440
simple.
Then Polly fuck, look, you can

601
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,560
drive in and go, Oh yeah,
there's no fucking power.

602
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,000
Like it's a real easy concept.
You look up and you see there's

603
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,360
no fucking power.
Yeah.

604
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:19,480
So, so the power power event
should be if I can pre pre plan

605
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,960
and like where wherever a header
is, it's that should be there

606
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,560
before you're there.
Is that how it works or?

607
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:26,840
Yeah, like it's an ever changing
environment, so it's pretty

608
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,600
dynamic, you know what I mean?
It's like you're never

609
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,400
developing a drive and stuff
like that.

610
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,520
So you won't always be 100% on
it, but you know that we've got

611
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,040
priority headings.
Headings.

612
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,520
Sorry, I need to smash this in.
So you're taking a cut every 12

613
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:41,000
hours.
Yeah.

614
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,520
So you're going 4 metres, 8
metres, 4 metres.

615
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,120
Yeah, carry on.
So you know that you're going to

616
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:47,520
need.
But you get your weekly

617
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,760
schedule, we've got 8 cuts down
the decline.

618
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,440
You plan, you know, you're like
fucking have to do service got a

619
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:53,840
new event like you know what I
mean?

620
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,800
You should know like it's it's
so simple, man.

621
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,520
It's like we, we got all our
metres there.

622
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,160
We got all our metres in this
all drive.

623
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,800
So we can start stopping like
it's all, all the information is

624
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,360
there.
It's just the ball gets dropped.

625
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,800
But also I reckon on
infrastructure as well, big

626
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,840
ticket items are getting raised
balls in for actual.

627
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,760
Well, that's the next bit I was
going to ask you.

628
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,640
I'll probably be a bigger like
think of what?

629
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,280
Pumping meant to be the biggest
one.

630
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,360
The prime your primary system so
big.

631
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:22,360
Ticket vent is like return
Airways getting raised board

632
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:26,120
done big return Airways
ventilation 'cause you got vent

633
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:28,880
restrictions.
So if you return Airways too

634
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,920
far, you can only have so many
trucks, loaders, jumbos, fucking

635
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,600
L VS whatever.
You can only have so much

636
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,480
machinery down there operating
per whatever cubic metres of air

637
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,760
they're pushing down.
I don't I don't know the actual

638
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,480
deal and all of it, but you
know, so if that shit falls

639
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,200
behind on a bigger level, what a
no, it's nightmare fuel.

640
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,960
Like, you know, you know
yourself, two half 10 trucks

641
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,760
sitting up there fucking idling
away because you can only have

642
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,880
two trucks down there.
Right, right, right.

643
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,520
And the time it actually takes
to set one of those up properly

644
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,440
where you're at a point where
you're drawing from the bottom,

645
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,640
you've sprayed the top, you've
run your new fans, you've got

646
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,760
your vent, your decline set up.
Look, that's not a fast process

647
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:08,480
either, Look.
It's.

648
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,280
It's a fucking pain in the ass.
But you know, but that's the

649
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,280
thing, it's like fucking as a
from the engineering and the

650
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,840
planning side of it, it's like,
you fucking know it's coming.

651
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,160
You, you, you got schedule that
shit.

652
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,720
You schedule the cuts, yeah, you
know, all the limitations and

653
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,400
everything.
It's like fucking, you know,

654
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,480
book the fucking raise ball by
the fan.

655
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,600
Like that's what fucks us off.
It's like, Oh yeah, we made half

656
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,000
a billion dollar profit this
year.

657
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,120
It's like, yeah, cool.
But like you've got no fucking

658
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,200
infrastructure.
It's like.

659
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,680
It all comes back to the thing
you talk about before.

660
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,200
It's like people, you know,
there's like a short term desire

661
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,520
to maybe show that cash flow
went up in that quarter.

662
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,360
So they fuck, you know, delayed
the things that mattered.

663
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,120
Yeah, that's.
Still a business at the end of

664
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,760
the day.
It's got to be profitable or

665
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,920
it's a shit business, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

666
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,920
As simple as a fucking cat.
What about?

667
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,000
What about pumping
infrastructure, like not just

668
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,960
pumping out of the decline, but
the main shit like what when

669
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,680
when we hear about so a lot, a
lot of the big infrastructure

670
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,880
ticket like Vince won, but it's
like getting it's the power

671
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,640
extensions and the pumping
system.

672
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,240
Substance.
All those sort.

673
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:10,840
Of things.
So what?

674
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,240
What happens when there's what
happens when the power isn't

675
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,760
infrastructure isn't up to date?
There's, there's not.

676
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,800
There's a substation that's too
fucking far away.

677
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,400
Yeah, once you add too many
extension cables or too many, I

678
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,360
think there's a limit on how
many metres you can run cable to

679
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,120
a box and then 4000 jumbo
extension cables to get to where

680
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,960
you got to be eventually.
It basically, from my

681
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,320
understanding is it gets to the
point there's so much lower load

682
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,600
because you've extended it so
far, it'll just trip the

683
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,200
substation and then you got
fucking no power, you know?

684
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,800
So like, it's such a stupid
fault to have really.

685
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,400
It's like we know the machines
run 1000 Volt, you know the

686
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,640
limitations like it's, it's
black and white.

687
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,640
They are the limited.
Everything you run down there is

688
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,040
going to need it.
Yeah, in order to keep pumping,

689
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,840
in order to keep moving and in
order to advance forward, you

690
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,640
are going to need power 100% and
now more than ever.

691
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,760
And no, with everything going
electric, you're going to have

692
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,560
to recharge batteries.
You're going to have to transfer

693
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,720
it through the trucks.
Like, yeah, it's not a hard

694
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,840
concept, but at the same time
it's which way do you go, man?

695
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,560
Do you just keep building bigger
and bigger fucking stations on

696
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,880
the surface or do you go what
everyone's done now and gone

697
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,320
like the wind farms and the
solar?

698
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,240
Like look how much power can the
fucking green stuff generate And

699
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,200
that's Michael.
I am not a sparky's ass.

700
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,400
Do not ask me about power or
just look at it and go no, it's.

701
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,840
It's on or off, yeah.
Yeah, we got none.

702
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,440
No good juice bar.
Get down.

703
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,080
But how, how funny is it when
they like, you know how critical

704
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,000
those substation jobs and the HV
runs are to do it, but then when

705
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,520
the fucking sparkies are
blocking the decline to do it?

706
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,560
Fuck, everyone's like yeah, the.
Fucking.

707
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,840
Right.
But it's like the most critical

708
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,720
fucking thing to keep the mind
going.

709
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:50,680
Yeah, 100.
Percent.

710
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,040
First thing I've done in four
months.

711
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,600
So fucking like, come on now.
Yeah.

712
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:55,640
What are you doing today?
Spark?

713
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,760
Yeah.
Box maintenance.

714
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,440
Oh fuck.
Yeah, stat.

715
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,760
Yeah, stat cheques.
Could have just said nothing,

716
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,280
that's why.
Fuck all like they're doing fuck

717
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,600
all.
Yeah, I say that in jest, but

718
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,720
where I work I do have fucking
good spark.

719
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,760
Oh Jesus Christ, when you need
them but.

720
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,120
I will give those boys that like
we have fucking good sparkies

721
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,800
where I am.
They are fucking yeah.

722
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,240
They you call them, they show
up.

723
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,400
I fucked up the other week.
It was pretty good.

724
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,160
Full Full disclosure A. 100%
like I, I flat out fucked up.

725
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,520
It was all me cock head, you
know, like I was so angry at

726
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,280
myself.
Yeah, give myself a good talk

727
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,160
until at that point.
Did you look into the window?

728
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,000
The reflection in the window.
Used to talk to yourself in the

729
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,080
window if.
You turn the outside lights on,

730
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,480
turn your cap lamp off, you see
your reflection in the glass,

731
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,240
and you can give yourself.
Good talking, just.

732
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,920
Put a fucking belt in yourself.
It's quite rewarding actually.

733
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,640
I just, I still remember the day
ways of walking up the drive and

734
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,280
just going to pick Dharma up and
you just see the jumbo's just

735
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,560
shaking and it's just fucking
dumb.

736
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,160
Punching the living.
Oh, that wasn't that.

737
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,320
It's 'cause I don't know how to.
You just bought a fucking boat.

738
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,440
It is like, you fucking idiot,
you fucking still like just what

739
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,280
the fuck's wrong with you?
That's right.

740
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,000
I was more angry at myself,
'cause I know how to do this

741
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,400
fucking.
Podcast, podcast.

742
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,840
What do you know you?
Can't be mad about it.

743
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,160
Like if I don't vent then I'm
fucked.

744
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,680
If I stay in here I'm no good,
you know?

745
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,320
I mean, I've got to scream.
I'm going to let it out.

746
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,320
What about?
What about pumping?

747
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,840
Yeah.
Like when they say the pumping

748
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,880
infrastructure is not caught up
and you're the decline jumbo,

749
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,120
you're like, that's you Tucker.
You're the frontline man.

750
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,480
As well.
Now you're foreskin to a fucking

751
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,240
table man.
If you don't have the pumping

752
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,200
circuit, run a decor.
Like what a shit idea.

753
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,680
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Explain to me why.

754
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,240
It's not real fucking odd.
Water runs down, I'll man, it's

755
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,440
going to go back uphill and
you're working at the bottom of

756
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,560
the fucking hill.
Yeah.

757
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,160
Exactly.
And you know, you well, you know

758
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,160
like it'll all pump out before
you get there because it's

759
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,160
hooked up and it's running.
But then I've found these new

760
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,680
jumbos use fucking shit loads of
water.

761
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,480
So like you'll start drilling,
but if the pumps, you know they

762
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,000
can pump so far allegedly, but
you know they've been bloody

763
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,960
pump and drill finds and five
great finds for three.

764
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:16,960
Months.
So you're adding more.

765
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,159
Water and they're and they're
fucked and you're needs more

766
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:20,400
water.
You don't they basically don't

767
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,280
catch up.
So you drill like your lifters,

768
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,000
which is the floor, knee holes,
whatever.

769
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,880
Then you've got to stop, turn
your water off at the jumbo,

770
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,600
wait for the pump out so you can
find the holes to put the tube

771
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,920
in so you can keep fucking
drilling.

772
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,880
Like like it says, show stopper,
show stopper.

773
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,639
And like you said, all the water
like it's got to come out.

774
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,360
You can't charge a hole you
can't find.

775
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,920
Like gone are the days you get
your flippers on and ducked off

776
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,120
and charge out like you know
then well.

777
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,199
You change the pump at the face.
So an old one.

778
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:48,639
We call them the tired.
You know what I mean?

779
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,560
The tired that pumps cactus?
No worries.

780
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,840
Put a new one at the face.
Wicked one up the hills, been

781
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,480
sitting in the mud for three
months.

782
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,160
She's cooked.
You've just pumped the decline

783
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,440
out.
You're like you beauty, you're

784
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,840
getting into it.
Next thing you know there's

785
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,520
20,000 fucking litres a second
and all your.

786
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,080
Decline's washing away because
it just can't keep up.

787
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,400
It's got to go somewhere and
you're the bottom of the shit

788
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,440
show down there, sweating your
hole out, drowning.

789
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:15,800
If you don't have your monos up
to scratch too, like your big

790
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,720
monopumps there, Degrusa taught
me look about pumping, actually,

791
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,720
because we hit that groundwater
there and it was such a big

792
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:25,080
thing, look.
What do you mean?

793
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,640
Oh, they hit the.
Aquifer.

794
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:27,600
I hit aquifer.
Yeah.

795
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,920
Aquifer flooded the she was.
She was pouring in.

796
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:30,800
Yeah.
Really.

797
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:31,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

798
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,560
It was massive.
Yeah.

799
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,680
So they lost the decline for
ages and I was there.

800
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,720
Lost half the fucking Mon.
They did.

801
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,400
That came later, yeah.
It's always there.

802
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,200
When we were still ACM at that
point, and we were, I was trying

803
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,160
to deal with all that.
So I'd never seen a 90 kilowatt

804
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,440
pump and I've been mining for
like fucking 12 years by then.

805
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,280
I was like, what's this thing,
You know, that thing threw the

806
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,120
water.
Sort of fucking shed.

807
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,320
Yeah, it was.
It was fucking the best thing

808
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,280
I'd ever seen.
Yeah.

809
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,680
So we had 320 kilowatt pumps at
the face, and then we

810
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,720
piggybacked that up to two
monos, which wasn't far up the

811
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:09,400
hill.
And that went up to, I think, a

812
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,840
pumping station.
But there was also a separate

813
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,080
line that went to the 90s, the
90s, piggyback to each other all

814
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,840
the way to the surface.
And then we had the original

815
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,560
pumping station.
So our first job every day was

816
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,200
to go down, clean the fucking
monos.

817
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,600
And like in a mine where you're
trying to make money and stuff

818
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,800
like that, you think of, well
fuck, clean the monos, why can't

819
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,120
we go?
Down.

820
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,080
Why are you going to mono,
Jeffrey?

821
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,920
What is it?
Mono monos.

822
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,000
I was actually going to say I
was going to describe what it

823
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,760
was.
Yeah, it's basically like a big

824
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,760
steel reservoir, but it's a belt
driven pump like massive pump.

825
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,640
So you pump into that and then
that'll that could got good

826
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,880
vertical head pressure can.
Pump yeah they're lower flow I

827
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,920
think, but they got it's like a
big Corkscrew so it's like so

828
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,400
it's got the got the torque to
pump it yeah yeah yeah whereas

829
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,400
the flight pumps that you put in
the decline the fucking things

830
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,880
you drop in you'll see on
LinkedIn your Xyrems or your MP

831
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,320
he's there they'll pump out like
20 litres a second but they'll

832
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,440
only go like I think it's is it
40 metres vertical or something

833
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,520
but they.
Tell us what it can do and have.

834
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,800
It 80 or reality?
Yeah.

835
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,840
So they they pump it out, but
they can't pump as far

836
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,680
vertically.
Yeah, but you've got it like

837
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,280
because it pumps into basically
a settling dam essentially in

838
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,960
the mono just so try, they try
like try to let all the mud and

839
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,640
everything settle before it
pumps it out.

840
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,160
Otherwise, you know, all that
mud and shit.

841
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,520
Just fucks.
Everything fucks, fucks.

842
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,600
So you got to you got to drain
it, hose the mud out, keeps

843
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,040
clean.
Otherwise, your mud just kind of

844
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,680
a.
Duelled capacity as well, like

845
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,880
you know, if you've got half,
it's full of mud, then you've

846
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,440
only got half capacity.
Don't you know?

847
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,280
It's like essentially, so if I
flooded mine, mono's pretty

848
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,160
important shift down, you're
getting washed the monos out.

849
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,160
Like, you know, that's the
bloody nipper job when he's been

850
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,800
naughty, didn't he'll?
Fucking change.

851
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,360
It overalls by 9:00 every day.
Daisy, Daisy Milano.

852
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,920
There was like, because it was a
deep mine and shit everywhere

853
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,320
and there was like, there was
that many fucking monos.

854
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,640
It was ridiculous.
It was literally 1 old fella,

855
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,960
his job Monday to Friday had his
own Ute was wash monos all day,

856
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,560
that that's all he did.
Because there was that many

857
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,160
monos.
Because it's like, you know what

858
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,160
it's like relying on like, oh,
years ago to wash monos.

859
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,840
Remember to wash the monos.
Yeah, like, remember to wash the

860
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,080
monos.
Of course you're not.

861
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,440
Going to bog the same fuck yeah.
Yeah, of course you're not.

862
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,240
Going to fuck, it's just full of
dirt.

863
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:31,280
Looks like you bogged it.
Looks like you bogged it.

864
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,520
Yeah, but he mate, he had to be.
He loved it.

865
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,960
And mate, he was passionate.
He's like, there'd be like

866
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,080
carnage in the mine and he's
calling the form.

867
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,640
He's like, mate, I've got water
building up in this monarch.

868
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,280
He was like, that was.
His.

869
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,880
Oregon.
That's fucking wicked.

870
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,000
Like some guy that's probably
got a fucking wealth of

871
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,120
experience, some old joker, you
know, doesn't want to retire.

872
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,680
Probably, yeah.
Hates his missus.

873
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,920
Gambled all his money away, but
you know what I mean.

874
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,240
What's to keep doing it?
What a fucking sick job for him.

875
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,320
Like, oh, keep him around so.
Critically clean.

876
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,280
You can't.
You don't have to rely on anyone

877
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,560
else to wash monos.
You got 1 dedicated.

878
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,120
Such a simple, strange thing,
but it's a showstopper.

879
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,200
Yeah, if you're declining the
priority and the fucking water's

880
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,080
all coming down, that's it.
Shut it down.

881
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,160
Well, you might.
How much time would you put on?

882
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,680
Like the time difference when
you got water being a slight or

883
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,640
medium or fuck load of an issue
in a decline compared to water

884
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,720
not being an issue.
Hours like you'd, you'd lose so

885
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,800
say in a week you'd take 6 cuts.
If you had water issue, you'd

886
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:38,120
probably take 4 like it'd cost
you 24 hours plus like you know,

887
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,480
you got to pump all the water
out for you can do a clean up.

888
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,800
So you're just efficiency so you
can expose any misfires or

889
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,200
anything like that and see what,
where the floor is.

890
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:49,280
But then once I've done that, if
there's, if the ground's making

891
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,800
water by the time you get back,
you can't just drill straight

892
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:52,960
away.
You got to pump all the water

893
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,880
out like it's just, it's time,
you know what I mean?

894
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,040
Especially if the ground's
custard too, like if the

895
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,880
ground's dog shit.
Adding the extra water is just a

896
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,640
whole nother dynamic trying to
mine efficiently, you know what

897
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,000
I mean?
Like trying to keep your floors

898
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,440
where they're meant to be and
stuff like that.

899
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,720
Fuck off shit on a jumbo.
But I reckon it took me like I

900
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,800
reckon I've sat there trying to
put lifters knee holes in a

901
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,080
decline be 3 hours once.
Like the ground's fucked.

902
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,800
There wasn't even times water
people now but.

903
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,240
There's a.
Sump right behind you.

904
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:26,880
He left 4 big toes just fucking.
That's not the standard, yeah.

905
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,480
We're going to get bloody.
I want to get your terminologies

906
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,800
into the ASX between dog shit,
custard, deep fried.

907
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,920
I want to see those.
They're all pretty self

908
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,360
explanatory.
They're probably on urban.

909
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,320
Right, if you've got to use it,
here's a random one like say.

910
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,240
These aren't show stopping ones
but there's issues with with one

911
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,720
of these things which is the
last one you'd want to have

912
00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:55,640
dramas without of Vent Airwa
water for you guys, vent water

913
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,400
power pumping.
What is the worst thing to have

914
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,600
issues with?
Fuck no power no good mate.

915
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,240
No, but it's like intermittent.
It keeps shutting down every

916
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,440
every now and then.
Or or would you deal with that?

917
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,240
Or have shit vent and be hot all
day but have the jumbo and water

918
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:14,320
go and flat out.
Power for me, because if I'm

919
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,800
losing power to the drill, I'm
generally losing it to the vent.

920
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,040
So I'm going to get hot and it's
going to be shit and the water's

921
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,520
going to come.
Power's crucial because it's not

922
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,080
just you, it's everything else
around you.

923
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,040
So you're talking about the
pumping system.

924
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,360
You lose power, you lose your
pumps, you lose your fans, you

925
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,880
lose your primaries, you lose
everything.

926
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,880
And you know what it's like
after people don't get the memo.

927
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,760
The fucking radio's juiced up
too much.

928
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,840
Sitting there, they still
bogging behind you, your vents

929
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,800
off like you're just getting
fucking rinsed.

930
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,960
Yeah, yeah, I reckon that yeah,
power's the worst for me, like.

931
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:42,720
What?
What?

932
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,720
Like why would you lose power?
What's the circumstances?

933
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,480
Oh, so sometimes you circuit
might like I said, I'm not a

934
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,720
fucking spark, but but your feed
might not be big enough to

935
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:53,640
handle the amount of equipment
that's running off it.

936
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,120
So you'll eventually hasn't been
extended.

937
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,560
You'll eventually trip it out or
you don't have a sub close

938
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,360
enough or you just generally
don't have enough power coming

939
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,440
in that's going out.
Yeah, sometimes you can.

940
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,880
Too many cable, too many
machines on the one level too,

941
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,680
like we'll say with production
and development not being far

942
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,080
enough apart.
You got, you know, the the

943
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,120
capacity for the sub on that one
level might be two drills and A

944
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,960
and a solo.
And then all of a sudden you got

945
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,920
fucking two solos hole cleaning
and then three drills and then

946
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,000
it'll trip, you know, because
someone will roll in bloody

947
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,880
start everything up all at once
straight as someone does

948
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,400
something as well, like you
know, do big power surge and it

949
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,720
trips.
It might be able to handle it if

950
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:37,280
everyone sort of drawing just
enough power, but.

951
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,160
When you start.
Yeah, exactly.

952
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,840
Start the old start the Power
Pack the old double start Power

953
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,240
Pack.
For the whole bag, see but.

954
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,960
The new ones are good.
They won't let you do it.

955
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,640
Eh, the new ones, what, They
take fucking 10 minutes.

956
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,480
You're like, fucking.
No offence to anyone from Sammy

957
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,560
Clock, I really like your old
drills, but yeah, you gotta

958
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,480
speed these fucking things.
Up turn the pilot suits you

959
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,200
like.
Fuck, you gotta do a fucking

960
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,840
dance, man.
You gotta do a dance, you turn

961
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,480
thing off.
Response.

962
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,800
Let's move on.
Good luck at 600 to beep out

963
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:08,960
that's.
Good.

964
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,200
More than you got to turn it
off, 6A1, turn it off, hit the

965
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,240
pilot, reset, reset your lasers,
start your power packs, and then

966
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:19,560
you got to wait fucking another
mile for your Jack legs to kick

967
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,600
in.
Look, just get the fucking thing

968
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,080
moving, man.
What's happening, bro?

969
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,960
That's so annoying.
Yeah, yeah.

970
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,000
But we'll get onto the new jumbo
the the because you're electric

971
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,560
over hydraulic now.
Yeah, instead of blood be

972
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,120
hydraulic over Electro or
whatever it was.

973
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,160
Yeah, fucking she's all computer
shit now.

974
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,320
Fuck, it is very.
Are they better or worse?

975
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:46,120
When I first got on I hated
them, but now I actually really

976
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,840
like them to bore a cup.
He's picking up heaps of time.

977
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,400
Boring.
Is it because it's chained in

978
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,640
percussion?
Just gets jammed up.

979
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,760
It's it's, it's the same
argument you're always going to

980
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,640
have if you've got a good
maintenance department that

981
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,520
understands a machine and that
can look after them.

982
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,160
Oh yeah.
You're going to win at the end

983
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,880
of the day, regardless what
fucking machine you're on,

984
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,520
you're going to win.
So if you've got the boys that

985
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,480
understand it and they look
after it and you, you work well

986
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,160
together, Yeah.
I want to fucking be.

987
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:14,760
Yeah.
Yeah, keep fading them.

988
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,760
Keep.
Flapping your.

989
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,920
Gums.
Oh, was you fucking?

990
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:18,720
Yeah.
You interrupted me.

991
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:20,800
I lost me trying.
To Oh, you finally figured out

992
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,440
the role that you dicked.
But anyway, if you have an

993
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,360
effective win and the
maintenance is looking after the

994
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,120
machine, you're doing the same
and you it goes all right.

995
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:38,600
I I hate when you're bound by
politics or fucking whatever

996
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,080
that they won't help you make
the machine work better.

997
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,240
You know what I mean?
So like it can be too slow.

998
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:48,520
Like, just say some guy's got
his knickers in A twist and he's

999
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,160
like odds, OEM spec, you know
what I mean?

1000
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,960
So it's what Sandvik says.
He's called fucking Slide.

1001
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:59,800
Yeah, means it is fucking shit.
The problem is it's like the

1002
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,160
ground they set it to in Finland
is not necessarily what you

1003
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,360
know, exactly what they're
mining in a hard bass old gold

1004
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,440
mine to fucking, you know,
somewhere in the copper.

1005
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,200
Like the grounds are so
different and needs to be so

1006
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,840
different.
It's got to be variable.

1007
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:15,800
Can you?
Can you?

1008
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,440
Can you tweak with it?
The boring.

1009
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,400
We can't.
Oh fuck, we definitely can't.

1010
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,640
But we've got the boss, they've
got the codes and they can

1011
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,240
adjust it to whatever my
understanding is.

1012
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,760
But obviously, fuck, you're
never going to give the operator

1013
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,760
those codes good.
To be Max Max Max.

1014
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,080
That's right.
Yeah, yeah, the.

1015
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,240
Downside.
The downside given the operator

1016
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:38,480
the decision though, what's the
downside of being Max Max?

1017
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,760
Max because they'll they'll go
as quick as I can, but it might

1018
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,880
be the detriment of the Drifter.
It'll fuck everything else, but

1019
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,960
it's all makes us look good
temporarily but.

1020
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,680
For a couple of days, so it
blows up.

1021
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,960
You can swing your cock around
and be a fucking king and be

1022
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,880
like, yeah, I've smashed it, but
yeah, you literally smash it.

1023
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,960
You buy the pub the bitch, you
fuck the drifter.

1024
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,840
Your rails are cool clothes.
Because everything's wound up so

1025
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,920
much and there's so much
pressure going forward.

1026
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,000
Well, the resistance still comes
back.

1027
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,280
It still comes back to the
machine.

1028
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,120
Yeah, and it's only fucking
steel, man.

1029
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,480
It's going to give it.
You know, look, that's I I like

1030
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,440
the new drills, like I already
just been on them just over a

1031
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,680
year now, but I really like
them.

1032
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,640
Was a lot to get to learn.
There's no feel.

1033
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,720
They haven't got the hydraulic
tingle in these.

1034
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:24,560
Things, yeah, there's no feel,
but they, they like, I speak to

1035
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:27,800
a couple of people from Sandvik
and now like, they put like a

1036
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,920
essentially like a dampener in
it to give you that feel and

1037
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,720
they, they've come a long way,
but it's, it is so weird to get

1038
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,800
used to.
I reckon my biggest gripe is

1039
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,640
'cause it's so new when there's
faults or little gremlins, no

1040
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,000
one knows.
Like the fucking literal

1041
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,560
solution is turn it off and turn
it back on again.

1042
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,400
That is like that is the literal
solution.

1043
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,760
Does it work?
It does, but then the fuck, You

1044
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,480
might drill for two minutes and
then the fucking same fault will

1045
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:00,880
come again.
Like, and you can imagine you're

1046
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,960
fucking down the decline at 4:30
and charge us fucking swimming

1047
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,400
in your ass to get in there and
charge.

1048
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,760
And it's like, oh, I can't drill
now 'cause there's a fucking

1049
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,000
fault that no one knows.
Hang on, let me just isolate it

1050
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,720
all and fucking flap around and
do a little twirly dance that's,

1051
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,080
you know, like your blood.
Pressure's like.

1052
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,200
Blood pressure's up.
You know you're getting the, you

1053
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,200
know I.
Agree 100%.

1054
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,480
You got an oscillator in the
cab, you've got to turn it off

1055
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,040
because like, you've just lost
your drilling control module, so

1056
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,680
that means this fucking thing
won't drill and you have no say

1057
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,400
in the matter.
There's no manual override,

1058
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,640
there's nothing the IBM says
but.

1059
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,760
Turn it off, Wait for it, wait
for the yeah, wait for the

1060
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,880
computer to shut down properly,
then go to the back or I slide

1061
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,360
the back, give it a second for
everything to fucking calm its

1062
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,480
farm.
I can turn it all back on, turn

1063
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,160
it back on.
Then it's like fucking got to

1064
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,360
start up, you know, like, but if
it's late as fuck and we got

1065
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,640
shit to do, like we've always
got shit to do, like yeah, it's

1066
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,120
a fucking nightmare.
But and instead you can roll on

1067
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,600
the price that, you know, we've
got this weird fault.

1068
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,600
It just it just won't drill.
Like it'll say it's brewing.

1069
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,800
You'll start at work at 4 a
little bit come back like it

1070
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,480
just fucking will not do
anything.

1071
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,400
The other side of me hammering
holes.

1072
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,560
The only way to fix it is
literally isolate it.

1073
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,000
Like, but then you like talk to
maintenance and because it's all

1074
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,880
right, it's so new and I guess
it's like fucking.

1075
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,400
They've said millions of them
everywhere.

1076
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,720
Like, I don't know enough
information.

1077
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:25,600
So no one can be young.
Yeah, but no one can help.

1078
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,400
So it's.
Like there's already good

1079
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,960
fitters, there's already good
fitters on these things.

1080
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,960
Like there are fitters that
understand there's like.

1081
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,480
Six of them, and there's but.
There is no, in my opinion, no

1082
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,040
real superstar jumbos that have
got their head tuned into this.

1083
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,080
You know, on a 421 there was
those guys that could tell you

1084
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,160
what valve it was.
But can you even fix them

1085
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,240
yourself down 'cause it's all?
To an extent.

1086
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,000
To an extent yes.
But you need but at least autos

1087
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,000
but.
At least if they knew it's like,

1088
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,800
yes, this fucking module which
is fucking in out of the dash

1089
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,080
and when you come.
Up do you have access for it to

1090
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,120
it?
That's all fucking them, but at.

1091
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,520
Least if they knew.
Yeah, at.

1092
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,040
Least they knew come service
they they fucking change it out

1093
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,640
and said you just gotta suffer
this fault until the module

1094
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,120
fucking shits it in.
Yeah, like that, that's

1095
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,520
essentially what it is.
Now you just suffer the fault

1096
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,840
until the module or whatever the
fuck is not happy shits itself

1097
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,000
or they do an update or
whatever, like and it's like

1098
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,640
that's not the salute.
Like that's the gripe for me.

1099
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,000
It's not the solution is like do
an update or wait until it burns

1100
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,800
out and then we'll reply, you
know, like that.

1101
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,040
That's what infuriates me about.
Them well, I suppose the the

1102
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,000
difference for the people
thinking what the fuck's

1103
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,040
changed?
It's like before the, you know,

1104
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,800
the leavers on the jumbo.
So every time you move

1105
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,640
something, at the bottom of that
leaver was a hydraulic hose that

1106
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,240
went to a block.
So there was oil going to that

1107
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:44,080
hose and that's what initiated
everything.

1108
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,880
Whereas now every every joystick
there's.

1109
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,000
A through a.
Computer.

1110
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,000
There's a table going to a.
Bucket, something's not working.

1111
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,760
It's a, it's a hydraulic hose
and it's one of these valves.

1112
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,440
So it's one of these blocks.
You could literally you would

1113
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,480
know, but that's not working.
It's that block on the side of

1114
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,000
the on the side of the thing
there.

1115
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,360
Hit it with a hammer.
Fuck, you know all that's not

1116
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:06,840
working.
It's this valve in the front.

1117
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,280
Like literally there's a there's
a valve on the side and it's

1118
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:10,720
like if.
You can don't the boom.

1119
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:16,640
Will not go back the other way
because you can get so you

1120
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,360
smashing with a hammer and the
valve pops out and fucking away

1121
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:20,760
you go.
You know, but whereas this is

1122
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,840
like fucking like, no, I know.
Bill Gates.

1123
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:25,640
Yeah, yeah, that's what it's
like.

1124
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,000
You used to be able to fix it
with a hammer.

1125
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,120
Now you need some.
Look fucking Stephen Hawkins

1126
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,840
down.
There, that should fucking talk

1127
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,800
so long you think that's?
Just a matter of time, right?

1128
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,360
Because like.
It is, sure.

1129
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,040
Yeah, 100%.
Of speed, right?

1130
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,000
Yeah.
Yeah, when you have no choice in

1131
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,680
the matter, you're only going to
get better at it.

1132
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,760
Yeah, You know what I mean?
The other Jump, the other Jumbo

1133
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,880
is born.
You know, they're born.

1134
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,200
That's it.
That's all You're fucking so so

1135
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,680
now.
Oh well like you say you fuck

1136
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,160
with the Dick you got like carry
on mate are.

1137
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,400
You picking up time anywhere
with them?

1138
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,320
Is it Bore Boren's pick?
Is it the Boren more tuned?

1139
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,360
In I'm a bad.
Fuck if the recipes are set

1140
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,280
properly.
So before you used to have full

1141
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,560
control, yeah I could control my
rotation speed, my rotation

1142
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,000
pressure, my feed, my deviation.
I had full control as to how it

1143
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,480
would drill and what I could set
it to.

1144
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:16,400
And now it's all like self
reading so I struggled to have

1145
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,320
any percussion control I can
have.

1146
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,280
Like Max choose say like hard
ground face holes and hard

1147
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,360
ground face holes will have like
a Max percussion 230 Max

1148
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,080
rotation, this, whatever,
whatever.

1149
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,680
And the computer will
essentially as you're drilling,

1150
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,400
it'll monitor water feedback.
So if you hit shit ground and

1151
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,400
you lose water pressure, the
computer will automatically go

1152
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,560
it's like bag, it'll die.
It's fucking awesome.

1153
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,280
Like run into another bolt or a
Faisal bolt or something, It'll

1154
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,000
it'll stop and doll back.
And like, so you don't you know,

1155
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,600
you're fucking off faffing
around and you've just fucking

1156
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,880
bombed the shit out of the steel
And like that bitch is fucking

1157
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,320
bombed.
There's no coming back where

1158
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,160
it's like it's awesome like
that.

1159
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,680
It's to raid the ground, but
it's got its limitations like

1160
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:02,080
sometimes the grounds shit or it
needs whatever and you're only,

1161
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,400
you're only so limited to how
much you can adjust and it does

1162
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,280
the rest, if that makes sense
So.

1163
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,640
There is limitations on how you
can adjust or control what you

1164
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,280
want.
But that's for us, 'cause we're

1165
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,480
locked out of the system for
that's for good reason, like.

1166
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:18,400
For good.
Reason, OH.

1167
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:19,520
Yeah.
So this isn't.

1168
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,200
Like not give me I know what
I'll.

1169
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,920
Be doing.
To say the machine can't do it,

1170
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,680
it's just like fucking.
They're like you gotta always

1171
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,280
factor the last common
denominator.

1172
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,200
Every single safety thing that
you see.

1173
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,000
Fucking don't stand on the snake
because it'll bite you a lot

1174
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,440
because some dumb stood on the
snake like you know, so like the

1175
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,720
reason they do it because some
Dick heads in there like I

1176
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:40,800
fucking know what's going on and
they do everything and then

1177
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,320
$100,000 Drifters cooked like so
they always factor the laws

1178
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,720
common denominator.
And so you, you just got to fuck

1179
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:49,600
with that Dick.
She's pretty bulked out at the

1180
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:54,520
lowest common bit, the bottom
90.

1181
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,600
Five the bottom 95, everything's
based on the.

1182
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,440
Jumbo operator, but I remember
you tell me the story about one.

1183
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:06,560
212. 1-2 What he's up to.
He's probably working for HP.

1184
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,640
No, he's working for Barminco.
He's out of Barrett land.

1185
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,520
He was more charged up like for
ages before he left.

1186
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,080
And I actually fucking loved
him.

1187
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,800
He was a good he was a fucking
legend but crossed he'd avoid

1188
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,360
charging a cut if.
He could and he was the only

1189
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,480
charge up person.
Why?

1190
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,960
Was he called that too?
He's like kind of his job.

1191
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,160
He's doing it wrong.
When you don't want to do fuck

1192
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,840
all.
You're like, need a trainee?

1193
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,720
Yeah, who's fucking keen on
service crew?

1194
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:34,960
Righto, mate, You want to
fucking learn?

1195
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,560
Charge up.
Come on, it's all yours, Bras.

1196
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,560
I'll tell you a fucking story,
yeah?

1197
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:45,160
That's the way.
Ability, attendance and. 3A's

1198
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,560
what was what was attitude,
ability and attendance.

1199
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:48,400
Yeah.
What does that mean?

1200
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,640
Gotta have good attitude.
Like, you know, Sarah Apple

1201
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,640
spoils the bunch.
Like we all fucking hate it.

1202
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,520
Like we'd all rather be at home
or fucking on holiday.

1203
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,320
Like fuck, you're at work, man.
It's shit.

1204
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,720
Like your job might be different
to mine, like you know what I

1205
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:04,200
mean?
Like you're at work.

1206
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,480
It, it sucks ass.
You'd much rather be at home at

1207
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,000
the pub.
You could flat out be running

1208
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,240
like a 2 IQ, but if you come in
with a good attitude, yeah. 100%

1209
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:17,520
it's a good attitude role.
It's it's like I'll I'll train

1210
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:23,680
37,000 dumps as long as they
show up and have to go every day

1211
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,520
and they're happy.
No worries.

1212
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,320
Come on in, big boy.
I'll tell you the same thing I

1213
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,800
told you yesterday.
That's cool.

1214
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,800
Yeah, yeah.
Some cocky little that walks in

1215
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,800
things, you know, or should say
that on this fucking two way.

1216
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,160
Yeah, there's a new word.
Beep.

1217
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,000
He comes walking in, thinks he
knows everything and just flat

1218
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,160
out been here 5 minutes.
Oh fuck off working.

1219
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:44,920
Out.
That was great.

1220
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:47,120
Yeah.
Look, he'll be getting dumped on

1221
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,600
the.
Yeah, just Peliga picked this

1222
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,600
fucking drain down the deck like
you can't be.

1223
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,200
Podcast usually.
Usually an engineer doing their

1224
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,640
time to.
Sit on the rock.

1225
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,000
Next to the jumper, I'll tell
you.

1226
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,000
What was it?
Paint a paint a fucking square

1227
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,480
and tell them don't move out of
the square.

1228
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:02,920
Remember.
A bloke.

1229
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,680
Sit him on a bloke.
He bloody.

1230
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,600
He had Jack pull it.
Jackie down there wouldn't

1231
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,200
listen.
He's like, mate, sit over there,

1232
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,960
put that witch's hat on top of
your head and don't move.

1233
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,160
He's oh, that's the safest place
for you.

1234
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,040
Yeah.
What was the next time?

1235
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,080
Attitude.
Ability like you know, you got

1236
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,920
to be fucking good at it.
You got to have a go, you got to

1237
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,720
try and learn and even if you
shit at it.

1238
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,880
Even if you're shit you.
Gotta take time and ask and

1239
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,040
fucking like expect to fail.
Expect to fail like fucking is

1240
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,360
not, you know, you might do the
same thing 40 times and you go

1241
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,080
to a new level that's and like
it's different.

1242
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,200
Whatever different turn out
there's like you're going to

1243
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,160
fail.
So you got to expect that, but

1244
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,160
learn, keep trying to learn,
keep trying to get better.

1245
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,960
Like basically.
Yeah, I'm a dumb and I got on

1246
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,280
the jumbo because of
persistence, not because of

1247
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,400
ability.
I'm a fucking probably, I

1248
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,000
reckon, like all the I'm a
fucking idiot.

1249
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,880
I'll.
Give it all flat out did nothing

1250
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,560
fast.
You know, like that was it.

1251
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,240
I was running around like a
chicken with his head cut off.

1252
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:06,240
Doing you were real good at
everything else.

1253
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,200
Yeah, Oh yeah, I was once I got
the hang.

1254
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,000
Of it, how long do you do on
charge up dumb?

1255
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,480
Way too long.
Way too long.

1256
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,760
That's the answer.
Yeah, I won't even glorify your

1257
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:23,360
fucking bullshit, but eventually
I got some of it, you know what

1258
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:24,800
I mean?
The jumbo, I still don't reckon

1259
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,280
I'm fucking much chopping the
jumbo, I reckon it's fucking

1260
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,280
bullshit.
And it'll come to you and you'll

1261
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,000
learn, you'll ask a million
questions and it like, yeah,

1262
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,160
ability will come basically.
In attendance, you gotta rock

1263
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,360
up.
Man, like how are you ever

1264
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:38,600
gonna?
Have a T shirt made for.

1265
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,840
You yeah, that's wrong, but it's
a it's a such a simple one.

1266
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,600
It's like I want to get on
charge up, I want to get on the

1267
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:45,640
ball, I want to get on the
jumbo.

1268
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,080
It's like, all right, well, that
machine is important and busy.

1269
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,880
They're all fucking important
and busy.

1270
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,240
But if you got 12 track drivers
and one doesn't shirt show up

1271
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:58,360
like it's you know, it's a bit
easier to cover them or accept

1272
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,480
you, you're down a truck.
But if you got fucking two

1273
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,280
jumbos or two boggers and a
bogger Dr and turn up, it fucks

1274
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,000
you.
You know what I mean?

1275
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,680
So like, if you don't shut up to
work, why would why would

1276
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,280
management want to move you to
the next role?

1277
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,960
If you're not reliable, you got
you have to be.

1278
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,200
It's like a basic man, you know,
like.

1279
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,920
And as a personal thing, how can
you improve one and two if you

1280
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,800
can't do three?
Yeah, you know what I mean?

1281
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,040
How can you get any better?
How can you show everyone your

1282
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,320
attitude or be good if you're
not fucking there?

1283
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,040
Well yeah, fuck off home, but no
one cares.

1284
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:34,080
The funniest thing, the funniest
thing was once the so there was

1285
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,960
the just turn up shirts that we
made with Tucker's head on the

1286
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,920
front because it was like the
early days when he's like just

1287
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,080
felt like you got any messages
to the miners.

1288
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,320
He's like just fucking turn up.
I don't know.

1289
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,520
I don't care if you're fucking
pet iguanas, fucking died or

1290
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,680
whatever, just fucking turn up
to work.

1291
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,960
Was that and then and then.
Not long.

1292
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,080
We released the shirts and
they're everywhere and on and

1293
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,200
off.
It was whether Tucker had some

1294
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,360
personal stuff going on and he
had to like, if I can take

1295
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,880
little bits of time off here and
there And I got pulled into the

1296
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:08,000
office and it's like, why have
all these shirts come out and

1297
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,040
now Tucker isn't turning up as
much?

1298
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,120
Slim a little divorce in.
There, that'll do the job.

1299
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,520
He's had to prioritise my time,
yeah.

1300
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,040
You got to sort out what you're
going to say.

1301
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,320
Maybe it was the shirt that
broke the camera.

1302
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,080
Sorry.
Serious question, Tucker, like

1303
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,360
was the was the, you know, the
IT means a lot to you, but is it

1304
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,720
was that a reaction because you
noticed people people just

1305
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,160
taking taking the Mickey a beat?
Used to be mould man, I mould

1306
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:41,360
man and he's a old, old school.
Like being like a red headed

1307
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,600
stepchild.
But it was he'd be.

1308
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,480
He'd be.
He was the same.

1309
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,040
He'd be like, we were younger,
we were on the Pistons, we were

1310
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,080
younger.
They'd be like, you know, I had

1311
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,640
a job since I was 14.
I've always, always worked.

1312
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,640
But you'd be hungover as fuck
and he'd be like fucking self

1313
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,080
inflicted.
Fucking get to work, suffer

1314
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,360
like, you know. 0 Sympathy.
Yeah, no, like, you know, and it

1315
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,000
was like you've made that
commitment just fucking turn up

1316
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,440
to work.
And he used to be like you've,

1317
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,600
you've made those choices,
you've done that.

1318
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,040
You know, if you're dying of
influenza and you're all fucked

1319
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,600
up, like fair enough.
Like you can't come to work.

1320
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,120
But it's like if you're like,
fuck the rugby's on.

1321
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,520
And I had three schooners
yesterday, You know, it's like,

1322
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,720
fuck me, man, like.
I agree.

1323
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,560
Yeah, it's.
You know, like that's that's the

1324
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,400
thing or it's like, oh, but it's
gonna be it's gonna be me

1325
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,480
birthday, like fucking who gives
a fuck?

1326
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,640
Like have a birthday when it's,
you know, not your break instead

1327
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,880
of block, like not flying or
whatever the fucking excuses

1328
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,160
that I've heard.
It's like fuck.

1329
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,840
And the flowing impact to that
is it just just throw it,

1330
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,200
especially if you're you're the
bottleneck like a fucking jumbo.

1331
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,200
Yeah, it's roll.
Or like any roll?

1332
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,760
Any roll.
Even if the nipper doesn't turn

1333
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,200
up, it fucks.
The job because that means I

1334
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,880
gotta do work that's.
Fuck that's fucking no good.

1335
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,720
But now I agree and Covad fucked
it for everyone because it

1336
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,760
became acceptable to not come to
work.

1337
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,040
That's what I fucking hated the
most out of.

1338
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:03,880
Like fair enough, you had the
fucking disease.

1339
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,120
Whatever, it stayed and it's all
good, no worries.

1340
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,400
But after that my nose is
running.

1341
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:10,400
I don't think I'm going to come
in.

1342
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,720
What can you say?
You say the worldwide pandemic.

1343
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:13,720
You say that fucking?
Tell him to.

1344
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,360
Come to work and it's like,
yeah.

1345
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:16,640
You know what I mean?
That's how it was.

1346
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,680
It's how we all came running
through that bullshit.

1347
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,720
Thing eventually, whatever,
whatever happens, someone

1348
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,640
eventually will find a way to
take the piece or manipulate it

1349
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,000
or fucking.
Isn't there a lot 1 Now if

1350
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,240
there's a If you're at work and
it's a public holiday in Perth,

1351
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,440
you can elect to have that day
I.

1352
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,040
Fucking yeah, I've read your
question.

1353
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,200
Is that right?
I haven't.

1354
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,640
I don't know.
See, 'cause we got back paid

1355
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:44,360
for, say, say, the last couple
of years when I was on holidays

1356
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:49,800
and it was a public holiday, I
shouldn't have had my holiday

1357
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,880
hours taken off me for that.
Oh yeah, yeah.

1358
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,080
So that's what I got back paid
for.

1359
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,120
And the credit to the companies
that did it.

1360
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:56,880
Yeah.
Look, fucking.

1361
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,600
I don't know if it's like.
I'm not 100% on the.

1362
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,240
I don't know if it's an on or
thing the like BHP Reno.

1363
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,800
Don't come re reimburse.
Oh no, no, I heard there was a

1364
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:10,240
thing if there's a a public
holiday in if they can elect to

1365
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:14,560
have that off up at work.
And because you your email of

1366
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:19,120
like, you know, in case you're
here's here's here's here's some

1367
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,480
keynotes in case you're still on
the outside.

1368
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,320
Yeah, but I'm like, I don't
know.

1369
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,040
I don't know anything about it,
but like, I've never heard a

1370
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,360
single person on site do it or
like anything but literally

1371
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,600
don't know anything about it.
Probably something you could do

1372
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,160
in your spare time is
investigate and let us know.

1373
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,520
Yeah, I'll, I'll, but you have
to.

1374
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,120
Because I flat out don't know
look.

1375
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,400
But I found.
That's a free day off if you're

1376
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,080
retired.
Yeah, exactly.

1377
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,000
That's exactly right.
That's exactly right.

1378
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,920
Like who in their right mind
would finish work and be like,

1379
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,200
tomorrow's Easter, whatever.
Like, where is a public holiday?

1380
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:56,120
You're gonna sit in your room
for another 24, So you're 36

1381
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,360
hours sitting in a dog box, but
fuck, not even as big as this

1382
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,560
room here.
But they're like Andrew what?

1383
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,000
You can only pull your Dick so
many times.

1384
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,480
It wound up with the back skin
left on the fucking.

1385
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,760
Eventually, like I just don't
understand.

1386
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:13,720
I just don't understand all I've
seen with the whole with the

1387
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,720
whole thing every man and his
dog is putting in for holidays

1388
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,440
around.
Like I I never thought about it.

1389
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,960
I'm like, I wouldn't mind having
Easter off to take the kids on

1390
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,360
school holidays for whatever.
Yeah, 27 people have already put

1391
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,120
in for it, whereas no one would
ever give a fuck about it

1392
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,400
before.
But now because it's 4, all the

1393
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,800
public, four public holidays on
it, they get a week off and only

1394
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,600
lose three days and you'll
leave.

1395
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,760
So you lose 30 hours and you'll
leave, but you get a whole week

1396
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,320
off on top.
So now everyone's just like,

1397
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,880
that's what I've said.
It's fuck that for people that

1398
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,800
want to like do something like
that.

1399
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,440
One is a smarter.
I'll never.

1400
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,760
Know no, but like that fuck.
He's all the dumb.

1401
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,760
But it's like everyone's onto it
now, so it's just a shit.

1402
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,320
You'll be the one working with
fuck yeah.

1403
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,760
That's the biggest thing that
I've seen come from it because

1404
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,280
I'm like, I don't even think
about.

1405
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,360
I'm like, I just want to go here
and fucking take my annual

1406
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:05,520
leave.
They're like, Oh no.

1407
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,520
And then there's and then a boss
time was like, oh, it's because

1408
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,440
it's Easter or because it's
whatever.

1409
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:11,920
There's two public holidays in
there.

1410
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:13,680
So everyone's done it just
because it's.

1411
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,800
Chrissy will be the same really,
won't it now?

1412
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,760
Yeah, 100% like Chrissy's hard
enough to get off as it.

1413
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,760
Is without fucking.
Well, he's telling me Deep

1414
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,280
Throat the mic.
Yeah, but Chrissy will be the

1415
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,040
same Chrissy.
Was always a nightmare fuel to

1416
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,680
get off, you know, like.
This Christmas party shout.

1417
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,520
Out in like 5 years.
Shout out to Phil Gosling,

1418
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,240
probably the greatest human in
the world.

1419
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,480
Love that guy.
He's pretty fucking swell.

1420
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,320
Yeah, in there the great.
But he was, he was on the

1421
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,760
opposite panel and he didn't
have kids and he's like loved

1422
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,840
New Year's.
So if I have had Christmas too,

1423
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,800
he's like, he's like, I'll do
Christmas for you, do New

1424
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,640
Year's, 'cause like, I don't
give a fuck about New Year's,

1425
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,400
but yeah.
But that's a proper GC.

1426
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,640
Isn't it?
That's why it was win win.

1427
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,600
But shout out Phil Love.
That yeah, but that's human.

1428
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,080
That's what it should be like.
It's 'cause I never cared about

1429
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,520
Christmas either until I had
kids and like, yeah.

1430
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,080
Oh, you, you're the girl.
I hate Christmas, Yeah, but

1431
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,480
like, but like I finally got a
Christmas every year, kids like,

1432
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,480
are you home for Christmas?
That no, it's my swing.

1433
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,560
Like you know you don't even put
in for it 'cause you know

1434
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,240
everyone's put in for it like 6
months ago, like.

1435
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,600
I'll do every second one now and
I think that's fair.

1436
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,640
Like I'll I'll work one for
anyone.

1437
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,960
Yeah, I don't care like if I'm
off, I'll go to work for you,

1438
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,240
but I'll take every second one
off That's and that's my one.

1439
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,240
If I get it off yeah sweet.
Then I'll work around then.

1440
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:32,560
I'm not going to take any time
off but now.

1441
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,280
One on one panels worked around
finally.

1442
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,160
Now it's the start of like you
get you on my Mondays and

1443
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,280
Christmas is Wednesday, so I'm
actually home this year.

1444
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,040
So yeah.
It's a question for you Target,

1445
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,720
like having kids.
What's it like when you you know

1446
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,320
when when you're working on
Christmas?

1447
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:48,960
It's just.
It's just.

1448
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:49,720
Asking the wrong one.
It's.

1449
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,960
Just just another day for me.
I don't give a fuck about

1450
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,880
Christmas really.
Like, you know, yeah, your

1451
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,040
FaceTime and all that, but like
they do Christmas at home and

1452
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,120
it's a big, big Hoo ha, you
know, So they enjoy it, but

1453
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,480
it's, I guess it's just a
festive season.

1454
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,280
You'd rather be home in the pool
with the kids flapping around

1455
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,160
having a beer.
Like, you know, then down the

1456
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,280
hole it's, I don't know, it's
just one of.

1457
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:11,320
Those.
But it's the way the cookie

1458
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,040
crumbles, isn't it?
Like it is what it is.

1459
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,320
If you do this long enough,
you're gonna miss it and you

1460
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,680
just go, yeah, no worries.
Like we we put the the Christmas

1461
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,120
bolts up.
Yeah.

1462
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:25,040
The The Tuckers Tuckers Tucker
Revitalising Christmas in

1463
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:26,080
Underground.
Yeah, took.

1464
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,680
Tucker Fucker took some
approval, flew some Jesus, flew

1465
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:34,400
some shit up there, 5 Christmas
trees and tinsel and all and I

1466
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:39,720
even got a big Santa sack bag
and Santa hat and glued it to me

1467
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,000
hard at went down there.
And then we fucking man the

1468
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,160
paint.
Went to the Geos, got all this,

1469
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,320
all this green paint and we
painted all the mesh green and

1470
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,160
red and all the bolts green and
red.

1471
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,480
And then we zip tied all these
fucking Christmas trees to the

1472
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,880
mesh and like bolted a whole
massive heading with like

1473
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,560
Christmas trees and tinsel.
Like the boys like fucking yeah.

1474
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,480
They had like service crew and
nippers down there like zip tie

1475
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,720
and tinsel to the.
It was a bit of a team effort,

1476
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,560
you know, that we bolted all
this whole whole drive up.

1477
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,160
It's probably still down there.
I don't know if you'd be able to

1478
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:14,760
say it.
We're probably dusted over by

1479
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:15,840
now there.
You go, you say what's?

1480
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,520
There a morale lift, Tucker.
Yeah, but like everyone got into

1481
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,200
it was good.
Like, you know, and I'm like not

1482
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,800
a big Christmas person, but then
I got like fucking a full

1483
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,880
Christmas outfit, like, you
know, the shorts and bloody

1484
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,960
shirt.
And like, it's like we're all

1485
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,800
exactly, it's the same thing.
We're all fucking sad.

1486
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,360
We're at work.
We'd rather be at home.

1487
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,760
But it's like, you know, bring a
good attitude, try and bring a

1488
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,280
bit of cheer.
We're all like, you know, we'd

1489
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,280
all rather be there.
But it's like, well, let's make

1490
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:40,160
best of what we got.
Let's.

1491
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,160
Have a bit of a first day in it.
Yeah, yeah.

1492
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,080
Attitude boy Get.
Back exactly.

1493
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:48,720
It's just like, Oh well, cost me
what 50 bucks in shit and flying

1494
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,920
up the site and then just to
find them around.

1495
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,560
It's still being spoken about.
Something so simple, you know,

1496
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:54,320
like.
Didn't you?

1497
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,240
Didn't you have a bloody scene,
a sack of presents and stuff?

1498
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,520
You gave out as well some shit.
Yeah, yeah.

1499
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,160
Did a few other things, but some
of that some was not

1500
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,680
appropriate.
Some was not.

1501
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,320
Appropriate.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

1502
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:07,960
Yeah.
These.

1503
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,600
Things happen.
What is a what do you do on the

1504
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:11,240
jumbo?
Yeah.

1505
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,160
What do you how do you get on
the jumbo Tucker?

1506
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:18,840
Like charge up used to basically
do your entries, water down,

1507
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,880
throw bolts to the jumbo and
then go on charge.

1508
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:26,040
That's a lot as I was like that.
That was my goal was to get on

1509
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:27,800
the jumbo.
So it was like fucking righto

1510
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:28,960
well.
It's pretty simple.

1511
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,160
It makes the most fucking.
Money.

1512
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,640
That's right.
My theory was we're all here the

1513
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,240
same amount of fucking time.
I want to make as much money as

1514
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,760
I possibly can while I'm here
like that.

1515
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:38,880
That's it.
Like fucking.

1516
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,240
I don't care how much I'll get
paid, as long as it's the most,

1517
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:45,080
yeah.
That's it probably people

1518
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,520
probably don't understand when
you say the most money give some

1519
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,840
ranges like and people don't
understand what a fucking jumbo

1520
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,840
gets compared to every other.
Bar I don't know, like you know.

1521
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:56,920
Fuck when you started.
Money is well.

1522
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,160
When I first started, if you
were making 1200 bucks a day,

1523
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,720
you were very.
Cool, and what's everyone else?

1524
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:07,400
So these days like I charge up
I'm guessing anywhere from 6:50

1525
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,800
to 800 bucks a shift.
That's entry level.

1526
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,880
No, no charge up.
So also entry level a tractor.

1527
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,279
I'll be on like 4 to 500.
My brother's getting 410 just

1528
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:19,279
starting on a truck, and so
he'll be up over 500 when he can

1529
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:21,840
train people.
Yeah, always 250 bucks a day is

1530
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,279
the nipper.
Yeah, which is where we all

1531
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:25,359
started back then.
What?

1532
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:29,640
Was it $1818.20 nipper and when
I started with January?

1533
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:33,720
20. $18.20 And that was fucking,
I don't know, 20 years ago, but

1534
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,000
you.
Could make that point.

1535
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,279
I like, got fucking drill bits
thrown at me if I was too slow

1536
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:40,560
fucking.
But then deadlock.

1537
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:45,760
They'd take you to the pub, were
residential and with real

1538
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,240
residential they'd take you to
the pub.

1539
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,439
You get that?
You'd be blonde as a world as

1540
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,120
dog, yeah.
Absolutely.

1541
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,200
That then they turn out to work,
they just try and break you.

1542
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,760
They've literally got you pissed
to see if they could break you

1543
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,720
the next day so you'd be fucking
runarounds wrong bolts like a

1544
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:02,279
madman and they're just like
everyday just like gotta break

1545
01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:03,760
you.
You know that that was their

1546
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,120
fun, that.
Was the goal, you know?

1547
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:08,520
But they're on, they're on 20
years ago, 809 hundred bucks a

1548
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,200
shift and what fucking look, you
know that.

1549
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,600
The Jumbo.
Operator, the jumbo operator

1550
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,960
was, you know.
It's like it's the weirdest pay

1551
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,720
scale you've ever seen.
So you've got pretty much

1552
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,600
everyone down here and then the
jumbo operator gets double what

1553
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:24,479
the top person gets of that.
Block back in the day it was

1554
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:25,319
yeah.
So when I.

1555
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:27,000
Was pretty similar.
Now when I was in the.

1556
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:31,439
Front of the bogger I agree the
pay gets be AA good bogger

1557
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:35,880
driver like some places are
paying to 1000 bucks that I know

1558
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:42,520
of for a bogger driver but I
know multiple jumbo UPS on 2/2

1559
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,160
to 2 1/2 a.
Shift it's because you're the

1560
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,120
bottleneck as like like jumbo
operator, you're the you're

1561
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:49,880
fucking responsible.
It's just the hardest thing to

1562
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,319
fucking learn.
Yeah, yeah.

1563
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,120
And be good at like you can
fucking learn it, but it's to be

1564
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,880
efficient at it and look after
the machine because there's so

1565
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,840
much more.
Look after the machine and make

1566
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,920
it efficient and like it's the
it's a fucking weird thing.

1567
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,640
And like, yeah, cool, I can
drill holes, but if they're not

1568
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,360
fucking straight, you know, and
you're like offline and like

1569
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,760
then you got overbright, then
you got extra light and then

1570
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,480
then like there's cost
repercussions backwards as well.

1571
01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:19,360
Like it's it's.
Double edged sword.

1572
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,320
Yeah, it's it's so it makes the
most money for the contractor,

1573
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,200
but it also costs them the most
if you're not good at what you

1574
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:26,240
do. 100.
Percent.

1575
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:27,480
So that's why it's good.
Yeah.

1576
01:10:27,480 --> 01:10:30,160
So I always had a rule that it
doesn't matter who stands on it.

1577
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,000
You respect the role that the
machine plays, not the operator

1578
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,080
regardless.
Like, you know, I mean, there

1579
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,720
could be 27 Dick heads up there,
but if they're on the jumbo,

1580
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:38,840
they're on the jumbo.
That's it.

1581
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,480
And I.
Feel like that's been the

1582
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:45,560
biggest downfall to the mining
industry with regards to shift

1583
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:51,960
bossing is so much of their
experience is because of the pay

1584
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:57,680
has been lost because like a pay
for a shift supervisor is so

1585
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,240
much less.
Yep then a jumbo operator even

1586
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,800
if you're a shit jumbo operator
or or you fucking semi retired

1587
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,160
and you just cruising but you're
really fucking good.

1588
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,040
Like you do a Nate job and
you're good you still can make

1589
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:14,160
up like hypothetically 25 to 50%
more than a shift boss would.

1590
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:18,000
So it's like, what the fuck
would I come in early, have to

1591
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,360
deal with every fucking painter
and all their fucking problems

1592
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:26,280
and get yelled at by a foreman
and finish late for less money

1593
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:31,000
when I can just fucking roll in
smoking dart, drinking coffee,

1594
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,920
bend 9 bolts, fucking do
whatever like you know what I

1595
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:35,240
mean?
And then just fucking knock off

1596
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,080
and you don't don't think about
it gives a fuck if the cut

1597
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,040
didn't pull lot or whatever.
Like do you know what I mean?

1598
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,040
Where's your shift box?
You're like fuck, did I fucking

1599
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:43,240
do that?
Did I mark that?

1600
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,240
Should I mark that line so the
truck driver doesn't back over

1601
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,600
the fucking stuff?
Like all the all that extra

1602
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,920
responsibility, whereas like
fucking you, man, if you're

1603
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,200
doing been doing the job 20
years, it's just bloody.

1604
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,000
You're just.
The saddest part is they'd all

1605
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,880
probably be on the jumbo still
if the bodies didn't. 100% Yeah.

1606
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:00,800
That is the thing, man.
It's a failure.

1607
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,920
It's a literal thing physically.
Product.

1608
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,360
Do it is exactly the body gives.
It so.

1609
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:08,560
So how hard is it on the body?
He's been doing it a while.

1610
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,560
Fucking hard.
It depends on the job.

1611
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,400
It's funny, it's so you look, if
you look at a jumbo operator,

1612
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,880
you're like, how's that hard,
'cause they're just standing.

1613
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:16,600
There.
Yeah, that's right.

1614
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,560
Fuck me, it's hard, you know?
Trying to see boys, man, and

1615
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,400
it's fucking funny as fuck by
like Dave 5 or 6.

1616
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,560
They're like, fuck, my feet are
sore.

1617
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:29,680
Yeah, because the the vibrations
of the machine all fucking day.

1618
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:31,600
Whatever you're pushing in comes
back like.

1619
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:33,120
No.
No, not the drift is the

1620
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,520
vibration of the drift is
drawing into the rock, the whole

1621
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,640
machine.
I don't fucking notice it

1622
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,440
anymore, but basically like look
at the bottom of my feet, man.

1623
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:43,640
They're like bloody hard as
well.

1624
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:44,760
I won't say that either.
Tone.

1625
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,440
Someone's tone up.
But it's somewhat like, but we

1626
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:52,120
don't notice it.
But all that vibration is knees,

1627
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:56,080
shins, ankles, fucking like
getting up and down off the

1628
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,800
steps, standing on uneven ground
all the time.

1629
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,360
Imagine if you didn't have old
Jared Lister's shakedown mats.

1630
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:03,840
You know, yeah.
They're actually.

1631
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,240
They're sensational.
Yeah, imagine if you.

1632
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,720
Didn't have them like the one
that back in the day when they

1633
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:09,440
just don't.
Let me.

1634
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,320
Just get the bash out of the
bash.

1635
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:12,880
We think I hate it.
We've got.

1636
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,200
We've got them underneath our
panel on ours.

1637
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:18,680
We cut them out to fit, give
that extra bit of, but it's just

1638
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:20,400
so hard on the body and we used
to be.

1639
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,360
Now the new cabs and the new
Jumbo's are Hollywood like

1640
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,040
because they're so sound
dampened.

1641
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:28,040
There's no heat because it's all
the old drills, all the

1642
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,680
hydraulics was at your knees.
So basically you were roasting

1643
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,480
from your waist down because all
your heat from the hydraulic oil

1644
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:37,840
is at your thing, where there's
none of that now.

1645
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,840
So the cabs are fucking lovely.
Yeah, and then if you had a open

1646
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,640
cab on.
Top of that you had to catch it

1647
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:45,840
from all angles.
First job was long shaft.

1648
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,880
I don't have it like anyone
knows the history of long shaft

1649
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:53,080
was like Nickelback seismic as
shit, you know, and I was like,

1650
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,000
Kane is a porn star with two
Dicks, you know, young, dumb,

1651
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:58,640
full of calm.
Get in there.

1652
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,000
Like I'm just going to prove
myself like first twin boom job.

1653
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,600
Like did a little sing boom job
endorsement, but then like got

1654
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,360
off at a twin boom job.
Yeah, you're like putting lift

1655
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,520
the tube in and the grounds
moving like you're standing on a

1656
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,600
little wave because it was
fucking wild.

1657
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,320
Like you'd be born away.
And then like it's seismic

1658
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,640
event, there'd be rocks the size
of footies flying in the cab

1659
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,960
like it was just.
Crazy.

1660
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,600
It's kind of what you like.
This might be a bad analogy, but

1661
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,800
like it to me, it's like what
you describe and it's it's like

1662
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,680
professional sport, right?
It's like the fucking the full

1663
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,920
forwards in a, in an AFL team
get paid fucking crazy money

1664
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,720
audience don't hold up forever.
You know, so so you've got a

1665
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,280
little bit of life.
You transition to something

1666
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,200
else, maybe get paid less to
fucking be a coach or a media

1667
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,760
person or what, whatever, But
you're the fucking bottleneck to

1668
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,160
scoring goals.
Like exactly.

1669
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,600
That's exactly right.
But a coach gets paid more than

1670
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,840
the full forward.
Yeah, that's it almost.

1671
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,040
But that's it point.
You know what?

1672
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,720
I mean, it is the, it is the
exact thing, man.

1673
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,920
Like, and The thing is is like,
fuck, I would go shift balls and

1674
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,240
I want to, I want to do, I want
to do a supervisory role.

1675
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:06,000
I want to take Bremer's job.
I've told him that a couple of

1676
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,720
times.
Like, you know, but like, but

1677
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:11,440
I'm like, I don't, you know, a
divorce Fucking help me stay on

1678
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:14,960
the jumbo a bit longer as well,
you know, but like, but it's

1679
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,600
like there's no the incentives
not there because you know, the

1680
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,120
fucking we're there for the
money.

1681
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:21,600
Like you're not there because
you fucking love it.

1682
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,560
Like I love my industry.
I love what I do and I actually

1683
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:25,920
have a lot of passion for it
still.

1684
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,800
And that's what makes going to
work so fucking easy for me

1685
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,120
because I still have that
passion.

1686
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:35,320
But if I fucking push trolleys
at Coles and listen to fucking

1687
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,400
Aqua on me fucking headphones
and make the same money, I'll

1688
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,080
fucking tell you where I'll be.
You know what I mean?

1689
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:44,120
It's just that's how it is with
ultimately.

1690
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,720
We're there for the money, man.
Like it's everyone.

1691
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,120
Everyone is.
You've been very invigorated

1692
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:50,960
lately, but I haven't.
Have yeah, yeah, but that's

1693
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,240
right.
I started sitting and studying

1694
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,520
for my shit boss ticket and then
fucking COVID happened.

1695
01:15:56,440 --> 01:15:58,560
I even got off the piece and
everything and fucking COVID

1696
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:02,000
happened and I was like, you had
to well, fucking no retention

1697
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,560
bras, fucking just.
Maybe that's me problem, yeah.

1698
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,400
But look, and so then COVID
happened and like give it away.

1699
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,960
I've I've said it once I passed
the prac failed the law that was

1700
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,840
fucking that years ago.
It's all it's all changed now.

1701
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:22,320
So but, and I will sit and I do
want to do it, but the financial

1702
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,000
incentive isn't there at the
moment, you know, which I find

1703
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:30,000
is it sucks too because yeah,
how much knowledge is lost by

1704
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,640
fucking old man drilling holes,
smoking darts at the face on the

1705
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,560
jumbo as opposed to driving
around fucking teaching people

1706
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,640
and you know what I mean?
Like there's so much knowledge

1707
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,320
lost there or I feel.
You know, are you allowed to

1708
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,320
smoke underground?
No, I can't smoke.

1709
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:45,920
I don't smoke, so I don't
fucking know.

1710
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:46,880
It's just.
Fucking hell.

1711
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:47,920
Oh, atrocity.
Can't.

1712
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:48,960
Can't even.
Face.

1713
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,320
Oh, nothing like a Dart
underground.

1714
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,800
What?
Probably back to the lot.

1715
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:57,240
The original thing about fucking
infrastructure and fucking shit

1716
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:00,880
on top of everything, what's it,
what's it like?

1717
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,880
And you, you can probably be a
testament of where you're at at

1718
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:08,280
the moment, Tucker.
When you've got a joint where

1719
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:14,000
the infrastructure is up your
ass, the vents good, power's

1720
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:18,920
good, shit loads of water
development separated from

1721
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:20,880
production.
What is the mood like

1722
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:25,400
underground compared compared to
and even the output and the

1723
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,240
productivity compared to when
everything's on top and itself?

1724
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:33,040
And it's a big ball of fuck.
It's it's chalk and cheese man.

1725
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,520
Like oh sorry, bit of a verb
there.

1726
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:41,080
This is a good.
One, this is like not even

1727
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:45,040
because I'm there, it like at KV
is the best job I've ever

1728
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,320
worked.
It's it's organised.

1729
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,920
Everything's up your ass.
Like you got vent, you got

1730
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,920
water, you got services.
We got pumping setups like and

1731
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:58,840
and I, I don't know the history
because I don't really care, but

1732
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,440
somewhere Lawntown must have
owned a job and they got flooded

1733
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,880
or maybe some of the management
were there for a job that got

1734
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,000
flooded.
So we've even got yes, we've

1735
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:13,640
even got like backup pump lines
full already set up in all our

1736
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:18,880
like draw decline in case we hit
water and all these like, you

1737
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,000
know, so they've learnt from
their learn from their mistakes

1738
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,920
or, or just fucking unlucky
ultimately, you know, but like

1739
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,480
being in a job where it's clean,
there's not, there's not a

1740
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:31,480
fucking coke can, there's not a
paint can, there's not, there's

1741
01:18:31,480 --> 01:18:35,080
no rubbish like none.
And like and why is that?

1742
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,840
Because, well, they set the
culture like the burn cut

1743
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:44,280
management set the culture of
like we want clean, tidy with no

1744
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,760
win rows like that.
They set that standard for

1745
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,920
themselves and it and I had to
change a lot of my fuck man.

1746
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,960
Throw everything at the face,
mark up the face like fucking

1747
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,960
paint can fucking turf them
bitches at the face.

1748
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,640
There'd be 20 of them there.
Like, or you go to paint

1749
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,160
something, not paint a bit of
mesh or something.

1750
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,120
There's a little bit empty and
it didn't work.

1751
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:04,600
Just fucking straw out of the
face.

1752
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,680
No one does it or very few do
it.

1753
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,400
It's all in a bag of the solid
jumbo rubbish bag.

1754
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:12,880
Like it's just a bit your
driver.

1755
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,600
There's no there's nothing.
It's neat.

1756
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,400
It's I've never worked anywhere
like it.

1757
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,840
And what what's the morale lock
for across the board?

1758
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,480
The job's easy because
everything's organised, you're

1759
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:26,840
not struggling, you don't drive
in, you're like cool, got to run

1760
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:30,800
17 hoses out and fucking sweat
my ass because the bed is 400

1761
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,880
metres back.
What it's it's there because the

1762
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:35,960
basics are there.
The job is easy.

1763
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,680
Like it's only hard when you got
a fucking struggle.

1764
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:42,000
It's like.
Talk about them as the 1% as

1765
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,360
earlier and they make the world
of difference.

1766
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,720
You know what I mean?
Look, how easy is it to come to

1767
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,120
work and use a jumbo when you
don't have to think about

1768
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,440
everything else?
I hate that when I've got to

1769
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,640
roll into a heading I haven't
been into in fucking two weeks,

1770
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,120
I roll in.
The first thing I notice is that

1771
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,400
my Holly's 60 metres away and me
fucking Vince at the same spot

1772
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,960
and I left it last week.
You know, then you think to

1773
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,560
yourself, well, why the fuck am
I the only person that can look

1774
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:06,440
at this?
Yeah, yeah.

1775
01:20:06,440 --> 01:20:08,800
So you know what I mean?
Instantly the morale drops

1776
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,680
because you're fucking negative.
You're angry already.

1777
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,160
And it's the standard as lot you
get a clean up the bogger

1778
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,080
drivers put the pump in, set it
up.

1779
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,200
They.
Fucking like you roll down, man,

1780
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:22,520
Like you just roll in.
It's there everything like do

1781
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:24,920
you know what I mean?
Like, but it's just but everyone

1782
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:26,760
does the same.
There's no like, you know,

1783
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:31,080
fucking one person is a good and
he does all the all of it and

1784
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:32,560
everyone else just doesn't give
a fuck.

1785
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,680
It's like that is the standard.
Like, you know what I mean?

1786
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,760
Like that is the standard.
There's no win rows pumps are

1787
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,120
in.
Like it's just because everyone

1788
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,320
does it.
It's not hard work and

1789
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:46,480
everything flows.
It's it's a fucking pleasure.

1790
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:48,320
It is an absolute pleasure, I
tell you so.

1791
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,080
And that and that has to it.
Obviously it's because it's a

1792
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,840
Greenfield site done from
scratch.

1793
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,600
Like you got 6 bottles there,
like you've obviously seen where

1794
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,320
you go to join, how hard it is
to turn that around.

1795
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:03,800
Yeah, that that that was the
thing when we went there and we

1796
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:05,640
cut the portals is that was
their thing.

1797
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:09,600
It was like we want to set it
set the tone initially and

1798
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:14,480
because like it was initially
going to be a a very big job and

1799
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:17,680
it probably it the all bodies
there, it will eventually be a

1800
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,600
very big job.
Yeah, just the lift lithium plus

1801
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,080
padding, you know what I mean?
Like basically so like you know,

1802
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,520
it's always going to be a job
that always going to be mining

1803
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,280
it, you know, but if the Livian
price goes through the roof,

1804
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,200
they'll be fucking 200 jumbo's
there like.

1805
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:33,480
It's just sending.
It you know, and that's right,

1806
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,360
but we want to set the tone or I
didn't fucking.

1807
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,640
I was told to, you know, like
basically.

1808
01:21:40,440 --> 01:21:42,200
I'll just want to get your own
paint cans.

1809
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,960
Yeah, yeah, always face a lot.
This is the this is the quality

1810
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,920
we want to set.
This is the morale we want to

1811
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,600
set.
Like, you know, but we get asked

1812
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:53,240
it's like, how are people like,
you know, what is the more like

1813
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:57,760
we, they, they want to set a
good time because I know once it

1814
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,680
gets busier, eventually you can
only control, not control.

1815
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:03,280
You can only like guide so many
people.

1816
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,920
Once there's fuck loads of
people, it's once our apples

1817
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,680
going to get in and spoil enough
of a bunch and then like, you

1818
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,120
know who gives a fuck?
And then before you know it

1819
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,560
turns into a shit show.
It's it's inevitable, like.

1820
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,560
It's easy to get to the top, but
it's hard to stay there.

1821
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,080
You know what I mean?
Like it's, yeah, it's that

1822
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:19,880
mentality.
If you can teach that straight

1823
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,400
off the cuff, when it just
becomes second nature to people

1824
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,400
to just do the little things and
do the right things from the

1825
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,440
beginning.
I couldn't tell you how hard

1826
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:31,000
I've worked with some people
trying to make them just do the

1827
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,120
basics like.
Yeah.

1828
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,440
Clean the fucking Newt armour,
all that at the end of the day.

1829
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,920
Whereas if you've got a whole
sort of people that do it

1830
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:38,560
already, people just think, Oh
well, that's.

1831
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,240
What's yeah all like fuck man,
all right news for brand new,

1832
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,440
but all of them are still
fucking awesome.

1833
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,880
Yeah yeah, like like it's it's
it's insane, man.

1834
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,720
I like a fucking nippy.
You would just be like flogged

1835
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,840
as fuck.
All ours are like you get in air

1836
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,800
con's work, everything's nice.
Like fucking, you know, and like

1837
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,360
I'll get in, be like shitty
because there's someone's

1838
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:02,800
leftover bloody shift sheet and
a parent like, you know, and

1839
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:04,280
fucking clean that shit up.
Fuck.

1840
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,640
And so that you get in and knock
off and it's all fucking.

1841
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,520
It's just the tone is there, you
know what I mean?

1842
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,240
And it's because you're only
picking up the littlest things.

1843
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,800
It's not, not too far gone, like
you know what I mean?

1844
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,760
Once it's too far gone, it's
you're never going to change it.

1845
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,320
So it's been an absolute fucking
dead set pleasure.

1846
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,480
Well, the and the funniest thing
you hear on the the market all

1847
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:27,840
the time when they talk about,
oh, it's management's job to do

1848
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:31,240
this, like the, the the MD or
the CEO is accountable for all

1849
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:32,800
the fucking shit storm below
him.

1850
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,160
But then you obviously there's
the layers of management.

1851
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:39,840
So the guys that tell you what
to do, but I assume if yous have

1852
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,400
got good morale, how much
fucking better is their life

1853
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,520
'cause they're not having to go
down and just frigging rinse

1854
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,200
people all the time.
They can actually plan the more.

1855
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,280
You achieve nothing but doing
that.

1856
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:51,560
Yeah, I know, but there.
But it's making it's taken time

1857
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,880
away from them to plan the mind
to get served.

1858
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:55,600
Exactly.
Now exactly.

1859
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,560
It's like a compounding effect.
You don't have 30 people coming

1860
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,400
into your office everyday
whingeing about the joint.

1861
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:01,640
Yeah, Yeah.
And you know, and.

1862
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,400
Your safety cross is good 'cause
everyone works together and

1863
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:06,720
everyone's taking their time and
you're not fucking struggling

1864
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,280
like how many fucking things you
just say lot of the jumbo

1865
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,960
dragging the fucking pump down
to the face and it's snagged on

1866
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,720
a rock and it's fucking blown
back and all mate walking down

1867
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:18,440
giving him a hand.
I've seen a couple of them, you

1868
01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:22,440
know like and fucks you up like
you know because it's done and

1869
01:24:22,440 --> 01:24:26,080
it's simple and it's done safe
and it's like it's just because

1870
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:28,960
you set that tone and there's no
mad rush and you can achieve

1871
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:33,400
your targets comfortably.
You can do it probably you can

1872
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:35,880
do it safe like we were talking
about before we started.

1873
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:39,920
This is like the more
unachievable targets are and the

1874
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:43,040
more things are and contract
rates and all those sort of

1875
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,800
things.
It's human nature to like cut

1876
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,480
corners because everyone wants
to appease.

1877
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:50,640
Everyone's just get on the
jumble, just get on the boggle,

1878
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:52,080
just get on charge up, moving
up.

1879
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,000
Everyone's trying to fucking
prove themselves.

1880
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,320
And it's been like that since
I've been mining.

1881
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,160
It'll be like that fucking when
them didn't very lot.

1882
01:24:59,480 --> 01:25:02,960
It is inevitable.
But if you create that more

1883
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:08,280
corners you cut, the more
fucking guaranteed dramas you're

1884
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:09,480
going to have.
You're going to have incidents,

1885
01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:10,760
you're going to have people
getting hurt.

1886
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:12,680
You know shit, shit's going to
happen.

1887
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:17,280
It's inevitable.
And do you notice like I assume

1888
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:21,320
it is pretty when you got a mind
set up like that, there ain't

1889
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,880
many incidents.
No fuck we've had like full

1890
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:28,800
months of green crosses like.
Right, there's Part 1 danskeys.

1891
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,400
Jeez, I feel a bit tipsy just
even talking about it,

1892
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:36,560
reflecting on the day trap.
Even if you are then meant.

1893
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,360
I hadn't seen Tucker for a
while, he's one of my good mates

1894
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,880
from underground.
So we ended up having a few

1895
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:47,040
beers at home and passed out on
the couch together with a blade

1896
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:50,560
of Chinese each.
It was quite romantic to see the

1897
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:54,560
big fella.
So Part 2 coming out next week

1898
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:56,760
if I don't get cancelled in the
meantime.

1899
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,280
So right.
Thanks to all the partners as

1900
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,360
always, they're great friends at
MMS.

1901
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:05,400
At the top of the show also got
Grounded Construction Group,

1902
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,880
Cross boundary energy, Sambic
Ground Support, CRE Insurance,

1903
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:12,400
Kaydrill and Daish SAT Tutoru
Money minus.

1904
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:13,720
Tutoru.
Go underground.

1905
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:15,960
Australia.
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1906
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,720
episode of Money of Mine is of
general nature only and does not

1907
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,360
take into account the
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1908
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,400
or needs of any particular
person.

1909
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,760
Before making any investment
decision, you should consult

1910
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,800
with your financial advisor and
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1911
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:33,520
advice is to your objectives,
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