March 24, 2025

Rio vs Fenix for Creasy’s Project (The Battle for Robe Mesa)

Shortly before we pressed record, Gold Fields came out swinging with a hostile offer for Gold Road… Needless to say that got us chatting.


We then touched on Bellevue’s down day before moving on to The Battle for Robe Mesa, as parties from Rio Tinto to Fenix trip over for the iron ore project in a fascinating fight.


Lastly, a non-core sale at Cyprium grabbed our attention and took us down an intriguing path.


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(0:00:00)Intro


(0:01:49)Gold Fields Swings Big for Gold Road


(0:06:12)Bellevue Cancels Roadshow


(0:07:20)The Battle for Robe Mesa


(0:28:20)More than meets the Eye at Cyprium sale?

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Righto money miners, we're
bloody, but today it's

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interesting and holy snap and
duck shit.

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We've got some light mail.
We'll we'll get into it.

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But the big story for today
prior to about 20 minutes ago.

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Well, then I'm I'm I'm put.
Let's put it equal part, I

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reckon.
Put it equal part.

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The battle 'cause it's a battle.
It there's two hostile battles,

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yeah.
They're mate, they're battle for

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robe Messer Yes, mate.
How good's that then?

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That's the thing with that, with
these bulk tonnage operations,

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you can have companies battling
over it.

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Whoever gets it, it doesn't
matter.

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MMS get the contract because who
else would you get to bloody do

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a bulk tonnage friggin like?
Well, look at what they can do

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mate. 12:50 strip ratio.
They can make that look 1 to one

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like if it's a gold 1.
So imagine what they can do in

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iron ore.
I don't know if there is anyone

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else you could trust.
No, I think it'd be miners 1 to

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one like they.
If you if you take anything

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home, I reckon Maddie from this,
from this episode, it's that MMS

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can do the job.
That's all you need to remember

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from what we're going to talk
about for the next hour.

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And when you say job JD, tech
services, mining execution,

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vertically integrated jobs,
they're unreal.

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All of it.
All of it.

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Go MMS.
Right, so we've got bloody,

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we've got the battle for Rob
Mesa.

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Yeah, we've got we've got CZR
Phoenix, Rio, mate, it is all

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happening.
So like high 50s is the new 62.

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They've accepted it now and I've
got what was that one or the IT

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was the tethered goat deal,
wasn't it?

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When I did the Maddie's friggin
Maze of shit and I ended up at

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crisis mining and yes.
And direct director searches.

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Matt Burney Yes, I ended up at
Bulls and Bears for the Bloody,

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and Stewie McDonald used to be
the secretary for Crisis.

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Anyway, I've got another one of
them and this ends somewhere and

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it is freaking out there.
I'm curious what you've dug up,

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Maddie.
And but.

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There's another hostile deal.
There's another hostile dealer.

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She's fresh off the press.
Funnily enough, come in at 5

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minutes past one.
We'll have to talk about it in a

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future episode, but.
Let I'll should we give it a

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quick rundown Yeah mate, I've
got I've got screenshots.

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Once you've got screenshots your
life's good.

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Bloody, we've got gold fields
non binding indicative proposal

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to acquire gold Rd.
So look, I sorted I'm half

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wrong, half right in terms of I
said gold, gold Rd's

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interesting, but I said
goldfields are that inactive in

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Australia.
They won't do anything.

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So they've made me look stupid.
So but I I look half stupid,

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half smart.
I'm I'm sure you said this one

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Once Upon a time, Maddie, don't
don't lose sleep over.

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It I will, I will find that
somewhere.

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There's a few very interesting
parts of this deal.

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Well.
So essentially they've given

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cash, all cash scheme of
arrangement, 3 dollars five for

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gold.
Gold Rd. which is a 28% premium.

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It's been rejected Yep by the
Gold Rd. board of directors

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'cause they wanted it.
It appears that Gold Rd. wanted

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to instead buy the 50% of Greer
off Goldfields.

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Yep, and Goldfields have
formally responded to Gold Roads

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said it will not be progressing
the alternative transaction.

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So this is a bear hug, mate,
because right now you've got the

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potential acquirer who's been
rejected, you know, revealing

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the deal.
This is this is, this is

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hostile.
This is a This is a hostile

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playbook.
And so and Goldfields said they

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for this, remember we said
they'd end up with 4% of

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Northern Star.
Effectively their intention was

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to distribute as part of the
Grey deal which Gold Rd. have

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the stake in there.
They said they were going to

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distribute that to Gold Rd.
shareholders as part of it.

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And like the the the wording
here, price represents a

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significant premier of 28% yadda
yadda.

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And all the other ones.
These premier are even more

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significant when considering
that Gold Rd. does not control

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either of its major interests.
So what?

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What's?
Do you know what's interesting

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on this one is that what's not
in the in the the details today,

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but that's the fact that that
the Gruyere joint venture

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agreement includes within a
standstill which specifies that

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gold fields can not acquire any
more shares in in Gold Rd.

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So So what that standstill means
in in in in in practice is that

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it was no Ave. for and golfers
has want I think went on the

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decline.
They've wanted to to consolidate

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Gruyere for a long time.
If you go back three history,

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you know, they had, they, they,
they, you know that expressed

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this, but the standstill meant
that there was no way to

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actually getting that deal done
unless it was friendly and

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agreed upon by Goldroads board.
And as we can see today,

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Goldroads board is probably
likely being pretty unreceptive

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to any suggestion of that
historically.

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And now we're at a point today
where Goldfields has decided to

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go for a different approach, and
that's to go hostile revealed

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their intentions put put Gold
Rd. in play effectively, and I

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think it could get spicy from
here, yeah.

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And, and it was interesting.
They're, they're saying they're

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knocking back to 3 bucks 5, but
they're saying that they they

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were wanting the 50% out of gold
fields via potentially a capital

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rise in more debt.
It's a lot fascinating.

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Hey, so what's the you can't
acquire us?

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We'll look like you.
I'll.

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Be I'll be like mate, just give
me the money now.

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But anyway.
So I think Gold Rd.

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Well, the competition starts now
I assume for Gold Rd., but if

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nothing happens, Gold Rd.
shareholders would be pissed

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off.
Yeah, yeah.

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Well, this is this, this, this,
this puts them family in play.

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And, and the board's going to
have to to, if they want to

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defend their existence as a, as
a listed entity, they're going

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to have to put a pretty
compelling case to shareholders

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as to why that should be.
I wouldn't say yeah, I wouldn't

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go as far to say they'd be
pissed off Maddie, just on the

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on the fact that they're going
to have a a tick up.

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They've already had a a bit of
out performance versus the pack

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on the back of the the degrade
deal and stuff.

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So they'll they'll have a chance
to to sell out at a fairly

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decent price.
You know, it's not going to

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quite get to the bid, but it's
more, more interesting than it

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kind of was a year ago, you know
what I mean?

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And.
This could be the first of of

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several bids too.
Yeah.

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Well, you exactly that, that's
what the markets gonna

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anticipate for sure or.
Maybe, maybe the agnico thing

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will happen now That'll that'll.
That's what I've been working up

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to.
All right, let's get into the

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battle of Rd.
Messer.

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But tell you what, bloody
Comsec, if you're listening,

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this new watchlist thing you're
going on, fuck it off.

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I don't like it bloody it come
up this morning, I thought.

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I'm with your daddy, I.
Thought I couldn't.

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Read the bloody thing.
I thought all gold stocks were

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flat 'cause they're coming up at
.01% change zero.

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I'm like this is a bloody
absolute anomaly.

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Then flicked back to the other
one and it's like there that's

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correct.
So give yourself an uppercut.

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I don't like the new watchlist.
I want it compressed so I can

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whiz through.
Watch this because I do it 6000

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times a day when I'm trying not
to do work.

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Last last bit of Goss, Maddie,
before we get into the show, you

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can see in the consolidated
watch list the second one you've

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you've flicked up there.
Look at the outlier, Bellevue

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down 10% plus cancelled their
roadshow over East.

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And word on the decline is that
the MD has had to fly back to

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site.
So yeah.

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I'm very short notice, yeah.
So yeah, that was I think it

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ended up about 11% down, so.
Yeah, a few question marks

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there.
Hey.

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Yes, well, that sounds me
talking about that light.

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Good work JD, right out the
battle for Rd.

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Mesa.
Mate, let's go.

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Forget the battle for Leonora.
Forget the battle for Sierra

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retard.
There's a there's a new hostile

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deal for us to sink our teeth
into, and that's before the

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battle for.
Yeah, which I'm sure we'll

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become obsessed with as well.
This is the battle for Rd.

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Mesa and I I can't believe that
we've got another kind of host

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hostile asset deal.
I actually thought St.

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Bob's is a bit of an anomaly for
a for a long time, but we're

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here again and it's awesome.
I'm excited.

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The the asset of interest is CZ
Rs robe Mesa iron ore project in

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the Pilgrim.
And who are the parties that you

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know, have been trying to get
their hands on it?

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There's actually four different
parties now at various points in

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time.
Miracle Iron, Phoenix, Golden

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Valley, and very recently a
consortium led by Rio Tinto

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including Mitsui and Nippon
Steel.

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JDI think we need a bit of
background on CZR to set the

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scene here.
Mate, it has been a long time

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brewing.
I think we spoke about it back

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when that very first deal was
announced.

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But I'll give a bit of one O 1
on CZR because I don't think

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it'll be familiar to to
everyone.

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So it's a Mark Creasy company.
He owns about 52% of the

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business and we're talking about
the West Pilbury here.

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So the kind of within kicking
distance of Rio and some of

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their projects there out near
Panawanica and then you've got

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Minres not not too far as well.
So these guys own 85% of Rd.

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Mesa's deposit, which they call
that the broader Yarralula

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project.
So that sort of project includes

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the the port and everything else
that goes with it.

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You've also got that other 15%
interest now that is directly

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held by a crazy entity called
XANF, which we'll speak about a

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bit later on.
DFS came out for this one in

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2023, so it sort of showed a
project that would scale from

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3.5 million tons per annum up to
five over an 8 year life and

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that the product it's, you know,
it's not top quality like most

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the kind of projects we've
spoken about lately.

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It's on par with Rio's Rogue
Valley Fines or FMGS super

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special fine.
So we're talking a 20% plus

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discount to to benchmark the the
project's got like an MPV of 250

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ish million.
If you're plugging in a 90%, a

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$90.00 rather benchmark price.
And logistically we're talking

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about a kind of similar type
thing to mins where they would

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truck the ore out to Ashburton
from there.

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They've got this Ashburton link
which is Co owned with Miracle

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Iron.
That group you mentioned before

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Trav, there is a transcripper
there that takes it out to a

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bigger boat essentially that's
not yet built that would be

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built in 2026 prior to all this
sort of stuff unfolding and

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operational in in 27.
So the projects pretty kind of

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small, small beer in the scheme
of the Pilbara, but it could

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make a bit of cash if the iron
oil price holds up.

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And last thing to note on the
company itself is that there's a

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bunch of other tenements in
there as there tends to be a

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few.
A few of them are a bit more

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interesting than others, namely
the sort of gold one in and

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around Hemi.
Is that the one that kind of

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stands out there?
So funny on that product spec

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and the discount and everything.
I think, I don't know if I

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mentioned it, but apparently
like a week or so ago, Rio,

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we're actually having a
strategic review thing about the

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product specs where because SP10
before the 58, they just sort of

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wasn't that strict on grade.
They'll sort of they threw

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whatever in there.
But apparently like SP 10 is

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going to be like a more stricter
product and then there's going

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to be another product below
that, that all the the shitter

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stuff goes into.
So it's like SP10 is going to

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become possibly become the
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of the decline in grades and
everything.

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So whether how this all fits in,
I don't know, but that's where

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we're heading, high 50s, I
think.

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Yeah, yeah.
There's, there's a high grade

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sort of part of this one, the
the bulk of it and then even

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lower.
They talk about sort of blending

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at kind of near the mine rather
than at port, but that's all up

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in the air at the minute.
Tell us about the deal the deals

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are.
The deals, so the deals start

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back in the beginning of 2024
lads.

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So they entered a deal in an
agreement rather in January 2024

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to sell their 85% interest in
Rob Mesa for $102 million.

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Now that was to Miracle Iron.
This is a ultimately a Chinese

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owned group.
We're talking about an asset

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sale.
So CZR we would get cash and

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they would maintain their
expiration projects that equates

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to $0.43 per share, the
102,000,000 bucks.

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So it's not a bad amount of
money especially relative to the

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the bids we're going to talk
about today.

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And most of that would be paid
on completion and the rest of it

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by mid 2025.
Now obviously you need approvals

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and the key ones here were
Chinese and more importantly

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Ferb approval.
And simultaneous to this

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agreement, Crazy was in talks to
sell his 15% interest to Miracle

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Iron as well.
And all in the same week those

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guys agreed a deal to buy East
Paulsen's from a group called

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Strike Resources.
So that one cost them 20

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million.
And why that's kind of important

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is because those guys are the Co
owners of that export facility

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and they were gonna kind of both
truck their ore to a kind of

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middle point between the two
projects and then together truck

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it out to the port.
So they were gonna kind of share

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logistics and yeah, both being
announced to the 4th and 11th of

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January.
The Miracle Iron deal for East

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Paulsen's ends up wrapping up in
March, but as we know, the the

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CZR deal didn't quite get that
far.

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So shareholder approval came
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They got that in Feb, but by the
end of May, they get the first

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of what's ultimately a bunch of
delays from Ferb.

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So Ferb's not saying no, they're
just saying we need another

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month, we need another month,
and then again we need another

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month.
We know that actually is no

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without saying no.
Yeah, I mean, credit to like,

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you know, Ferb and the
Australian government, This is

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the way you do it when you don't
want to kind of cause a big

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political scene, a diplomatic
sort of argy bargy with the

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Chinese, obviously our biggest
trading partner.

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So it's, it's much more sort of
kosher just to say, no, we're

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going to keep reviewing this
rather than say, Nah, this isn't

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happening at all.
So essentially that is what they

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were saying though.
So in the case of of this one

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part of the no like you know
might have actually just been in

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relation to the the port asset
which would ultimately become

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under control of of miracle line
at that point in time, which had

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an allowance of like 5 million
tons per annum.

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And port, you think of port
assets maybe a bit differently

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to to a small scale line or
asset?

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For sure, we know there was a
deal in the, in the NT a while

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ago, not mining related, but of
a report that became sort of

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Chinese owned that was hugely
controversial.

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So EV, every part of it was sort
of important.

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And on the Chinese side of it,
they, they gave approvals kind

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of mid year roughly.
But we saw those Ferb ones keep

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rolling on and this went on for,
for ages.

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So you ultimately get to 2025
this year, Feb 25th and this was

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a big day.
Heaps of announcements came out.

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I think it was 7 all up.
The company first says the deal

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has been terminated with Miracle
Iron for clearly wasn't going to

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provide approval as you can see
in the announcement here.

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And then you get Phoenix sort of
small scale iron or Miner who

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got operations closer to
Geraldton come up with an agreed

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script deal with CZR.
And they're going to be paying

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.85 Phoenix shares for every CZR
share, which kind of implies a

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$0.26 value on the day of the
deal or in equity value terms,

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$61 million we're talking about.
But there was room for this to

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increase should they come in
quickly.

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So should they come in, in the
space of about four weeks, that

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is the CZR shareholders and
agree to this to a point where

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75% have locked in, they're
going to get an implied 30 cent

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value, which is about $71
million.

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CZR directors backed the deal
and Creasey had said in the

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announcement is intending to
accept absent, of course, a

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better proposal.
There's a, there's a 650 grand

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break fee, matching rights and
all the rest of it, as you kind

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of expect.
And also Phoenix served up a

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loan to CZR.
So CZR being pretty short on

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cash, needed a bit of money and
that would tie them over just

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working capital and the like.
So before the deal you'd seen

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some kind of interesting share
price movements to kind of say

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the least.
And you can see in the the day

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before and the day before that
the stock ticks up 18 and 23%.

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So CZR get served up with a
please explain notice which you

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would expect.
They sort of customarily bounced

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back and said, we, we knew
nothing of the sort, Nothing got

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leaked, but clearly lots was
lots was happening at CZR.

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And this is only really the the
start of it because you get a a

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heap of announcements over the
next kind of months.

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So March 18th, Phoenix are now
6% shareholders in CZR and

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obviously you've got that huge
crazy state that's super

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important. 52% of the company
can swing it either way.

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And obviously he's going to wait
to the end.

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And there's also likely friends
or people just playing off the

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back of what crazy is going to
do.

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That could pretty quickly swing
that up to 75% getting over the

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line.
Should they should they accept?

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But on the 20th, you get another
offer that comes out.

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So Gold Valley again, Chinese
owned group.

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But put forward exports and some
iron ore out of the like

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Midwestish region, I think fire,
fire Esperance or they wanted to

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pick up some Esperance
allocation or something like

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that, I think.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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They send stuff down from on the
train from cow, I think they

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truck it to to cow and then and
send it out that way.

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So they're they're kind of in
the iron ore game.

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But this is quite different and
their their pitch is conditional

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on two points.
So firstly funding and secondly,

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the termination of the bid
implementation agreement with

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with Fenix.
So it's not really a fully baked

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offer just yet, but Gold Valley
offered to pay two and a half

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million bucks should they fail
to put forward a binding offer,

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and that would be kind of in
line with $0.31 a share.

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So just trying to edge out Fenix
and this one would be for the

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entire company, just like Fenix
was.

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But straight away CZR said this
one's not superior and they're

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not really interested in it
really on the back of that being

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conditional funding, non binding
and less certainty they don't.

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Even have to say that it's not
superior, they just have to say

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that it's an offer not capable
of becoming a superior offer at

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that point in time, which given
the conditionality is a is a

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somewhat simple one to knock
back.

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I mean, it's, it's a bit of a
harder thing to muster to know

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if you've got certainty on the
funding capability versus what

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ultimately comes next, which is
a an offer from a Rio Chinto

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consortium.
This is it now this is this is

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where it gets super, super
juicy, right?

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So you come to the 21st of
March, this is the day that

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shareholders had to approve over
that 75% level if they wanted

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that kicker.
And it is revealed that we've

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got a third group keen on Rogue
Mesa.

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So in steps the Rio Tinto LED
consortium and things get super,

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super juicy.
Yeah, and it, and like you

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mentioned, like if, if the asset
Rogue Mesa sounds familiar, it's

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because Rio Tinto has a mine of
a similar name.

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They've got Rogue Valley just
down the road, which includes

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the Mesa a line as it currently
stands.

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And and the consortium with the
the ownership in, in that, that

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Rogue Valley kind of area is
includes Rio Tinto, Mitsui and

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and Nippon Steel.
So you know Rio Tinto and then

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and the Japanese kind of groups
there.

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That consortium put forward a
competing proposal to CZR on

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Thursday evening last week.
So that's Thursday the 20th of

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March.
The consortium is, is is only

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interested in the iron ore
deposit this time, which makes

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sense given synergies with their
own river down the road.

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So their their proposal that is
put forward is for $75 million

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cash.
They articulate their various

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conditions too, which as I'll
get to actually matters quite a

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bit.
But firstly, notice the date I

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submit the bid, Thursday 20th of
March.

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Remember, the Phoenix offer
included that $0.04 per share

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kicker.
If they got to 75% acceptances

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by 7:00 PM.
Friday, the 21st to 24 hours to

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spare, Rio grows their bit into
the mix.

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And as later comes out, Phoenix
actually got to about 14%

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acceptances by the 21st of March
deadline to warrant that.

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The kicker, which at face value
probably seems a long way off

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actually getting that uplift
that would be warranted if they

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got 75% acceptances.
But there's there's a very big

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swing vote in the mix.
They're being crazy with 52

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percent, 52 + 14 and 66% if
crazy.

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Had some friends on the register
holding.

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Out to the 11th hour with him,
that could have easily been

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another 9% to reach the 75%
threshold.

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But this Rio bid is a spanner in
in the works.

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And because now instead of
accepting into the Fenix off a

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crazy has to very quickly
determine if the Rio bid is an

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offer capable of becoming a
superior proposal.

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And if it is, then it opens up
the ability for the Rio

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consortium to conduct due
diligence.

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So it's up to the board then
let's run, Let's run us through

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what what happens from there,
man?

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That the board makes up their
mind very quickly here that the

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very next morning the board says
the Rio offer is a proposal that

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could reasonably be expected to
to lead to a superior proposal.

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So the fiduciary out applies.
So I'd note, imagine if St.

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Barbara Board had been so
accommodating to a competing

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proposal when it came to the
sale of the Leonora assets.

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Is it a competing proposal
because it's Rio, they've got

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heaps of money potentially.
To to be clear, at this point,

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CZ Rs board is, is still
recommending the Phoenix offer,

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but clearly, you know, Rio's
going to get the ability to

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conduct the, the diligence they
need to firm up the proposal and

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reduce the conditionality.
And, and Phoenix actually has a

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matching right if they do.
But Rio actually actually had a

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bit of a fuck up in their first
proposal they sent to CZR.

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And this gets into the weeds a
little bit, but just going to

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bring it up here.
Look at the conditions that Rio

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put to CZR.
And I mean, specifically look at

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conditions #4 and #6 #4 is
conditional on the successful

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negotiation of an asset sale
from Xanth PTYLTD for the part

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of the project that they own.
And remember, Creasy owns 15% of

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Rd.
Mess in a separate vehicle,

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which is called Xanth, right?
And then condition number six,

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CZR obtaining shareholder
approval for the purposes of ASX

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Listing Rule 11.2.
That ASX listing rule pertains

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to when a company is disposing
of their main undertaking.

426
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,560
Effectively, shareholders have
to vote that.

427
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,560
That's OK.
And that's all fine and dandy to

428
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,920
have a a shareholder vote on
that.

429
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,880
But the other condition is that
Crazy agrees on a deal with his

430
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,920
other 15% of the project
directly too.

431
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,200
And that's the problem, because
Crazy would be explicitly

432
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,520
excluded from the ability to
vote in the shareholder vote

433
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,960
under 11.2 if he had some other
interest in the transaction.

434
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,720
And given Rio want to make the
offer conditional on such

435
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,920
interest in the transaction via
Xanth, Creasy would actually be

436
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,880
unable to vote any of his 52%
interest in the shareholder

437
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,080
vote, which kind of blows the
certainty of any deal with Rio

438
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,080
wide open at that point.
They're outside.

439
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:49,280
Did they realize this?
They absolutely did.

440
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,480
We learned from Caesar's
announcement today that the very

441
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:57,200
next day CZR received a revised
MBIO from Rio which removed that

442
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,040
condition explicitly.
I suspect someone pointed out

443
00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:02,240
the key issue and they are
probably felt a bit embarrassed.

444
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,000
Nonetheless, that's where we're
at today.

445
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,720
CZR has relied on their
fiduciary exceptions to

446
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,160
negotiate with Rio or provide
provide access to the to the

447
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,600
data room.
And you know, if and when Rio

448
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,480
puts forward an actual superior
proposal capable of acceptance

449
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,680
and the board supports it, then
you know Phoenix has the right

450
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,600
to match it.
But remember, Phoenix's bid is a

451
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,920
script offer today.
They really want to get into a

452
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,640
bidding war, you know, with the
with the people who have rail

453
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,320
synergies.
I don't think so.

454
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,080
All right.
So we should kind of talk about

455
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,800
what what ultimately happens
then if the CZR board ends up

456
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,880
recommending the the Rio offer,
what, what is the path down that

457
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,720
road at?
The end of the day, like we can

458
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,920
talk about shareholders voting a
certain way or not, but the only

459
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,160
vote that actually matters in
this deal is that of crazies.

460
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,800
Creasey owns 52% of CZR.
That vote controls the outcome

461
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,640
no matter which way he cut it.
So it comes down to what Creasey

462
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,000
wants.
Does Creasey want to convert his

463
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,400
stock into a more liquid Fenix
or does he want CZR to become a

464
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,240
bit of a cash box so that he can
use it to buy something else?

465
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,280
I, I don't know the answer to
that, but I will point out a

466
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,160
couple of things quickly.
Number one, if, if CZR goes with

467
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,240
the Rio offer, there would
probably be some chunky tax

468
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,360
considerations involved if they
go to distribute any of that

469
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:23,000
cash to shareholders #2 I doubt
CZR would have left, would have

470
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,880
even let Rio in in, in the door
if crazy wasn't already thinking

471
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,120
this is probably the deal that
I, I want anyway.

472
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,240
So, so my prediction is the Rio
consortium is going to end up

473
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,320
with Robe Messer and CZR will
sort of emerge a bit of a, a

474
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,440
cashbox.
Phoenix will probably continue

475
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,000
to do more deals, just not this
one.

476
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,840
I've very quickly banged up this
table which compares the various

477
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,920
offers over time received by
CZR.

478
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,040
And while it's, it's not
capturing tax implications, it,

479
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,840
you know, it's kind of clear
from this table that Rio's bid

480
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,800
is pretty compelling versus the
Phoenix offer at this stage, not

481
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,920
just because the consideration
per share is higher pre tax, but

482
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,080
because it's only for rope
messer.

483
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,480
And to the extent CZRCZR think
they can get some value from

484
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,400
their kind of ash Burton port
allocation and their gold and

485
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,560
other tenements in the
portfolio, you know, then then

486
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,080
they can do it with subsequent
deal to to get value for that

487
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,680
or, or, or what not.
So it it certainly kind of

488
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,000
appears at this point in time
that, you know, Rio's got a

489
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,320
pretty, pretty compelling
position to, to, to trump

490
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,920
Phoenix on this one.
Yeah, and if they've obviously

491
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,360
just got way more capacity to
pay, pay more, not just because

492
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,000
they've got way deeper pockets
and added to that, they're,

493
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,840
they're pretty keen it seems to
add tons, right.

494
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,120
But the economics just stack up
way better for them.

495
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,360
So I think that leaves the
outcome relatively set.

496
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:44,440
But yeah, like like you said
mate, it's not super

497
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,120
straightforward and it it really
comes down to just what one

498
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:48,600
person wants at the end of the
day.

499
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,000
That's a.
Reminder on the process when if

500
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,240
Rio put a bid in Phoenix have
the matching right.

501
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,760
If they match it, can Rio come
over the top again?

502
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,280
Phoenix, Phoenix can either
match it or or go go higher.

503
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,320
And then yeah, it's still, it's
still, it's still open.

504
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,280
At that point, they'll they'll
bid up wrong.

505
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,680
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, Jesus Christ, David versus

506
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,880
Goliath.
Yeah, call him David.

507
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,440
I wonder who win that one?
We should Chuck up these photos

508
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,360
just to just to really stress.
You can see in that the maps

509
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:21,480
here, right?
And that last image this

510
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:26,120
literally like you said, Trevor
Butts with Mesa F like it is the

511
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:29,600
same ore body.
The the economics are pretty

512
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,520
compelling from from Rio's
perspective.

513
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,760
But on the other hand, they
don't need to mine it right now.

514
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,640
So you you're potentially paying
out for something you wouldn't

515
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,680
really want to mine next year or
the year after or the year after

516
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,400
that necessarily.
So I think they would have

517
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,680
ideally just been able to scoop
this one up right when they

518
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,680
needed it, but that's not how
it's kind of played out.

519
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,720
Fuck.
Jeez, aren't Rio getting bloody

520
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,720
active on iron ore?
Far out they're bloody.

521
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,960
Don't say BHP popping up on any
iron ore deals at the moment.

522
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,200
No, you don't a bit.
Smaller but.

523
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,600
Yeah, I mean, it's interesting
and we saw Fortescue as well,

524
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,440
right, not too long ago.
So it's juicy.

525
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,760
But yeah, I think Rio's iron ore
team will be purely focused on

526
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,240
on SIM Andu right now, and
that's going to be all that

527
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,360
matters for the next couple of
years.

528
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:20,080
Getting that right, yeah.
It's very good, boys, very good.

529
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,560
I haven't got any notifications
from the Bloomberg Terminal or

530
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,120
anything that Swigs hit
18,000,000 drill motors.

531
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,880
Nothing's come through yet
still.

532
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,440
Yet.
They just keep their heads down

533
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,360
and do the work.
Though, right, they might just

534
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,800
pop up with 19.
They'd like to skip the 18

535
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,520
announcement.
I can see, I can see that feat

536
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,160
like reasonably happening.
You you don't need to keep kind

537
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,200
of no like checks of every
single meter when you're that

538
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,480
good.
Well, you just get on with it

539
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,960
well.
That you know what's probably

540
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,320
going with deep X punch in the
2000 meter holes they'll

541
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,680
probably do a heap at the same
time and they'll skip a number

542
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,360
when they all when the lengths
when the shifts finish.

543
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:59,400
So mate, the household name in
underground diamond drilling,

544
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,720
the short mid to sort of long
holes with swick and the real

545
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,960
bloody long holes with deep
X2000 plus meters.

546
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,640
The closer you drill to the
centre of the earth the closer

547
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,880
you are to the bloody lava
that's coming up depositing

548
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,920
minerals.
Drill deep and find a mother

549
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,160
lode.
It's who cares if you can mine

550
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,360
it or not?
I'll switch Go. 3000 love it,

551
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,960
right?
This is I don't know what to say

552
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,560
about this.
This is you's are going to be

553
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,760
proud of me.
I don't know where you've gone

554
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,080
with this.
I know we're talking about

555
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:37,080
Cyprium and Encore.
I said to you just popped up

556
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:43,080
today, Cyprium divestment of non
core Q project binding sale and

557
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,560
purchase agreement with Q
Resources proprietary Limited.

558
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,880
So I'm thinking right, public
selling to private.

559
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,360
I'm like, OK, what's going on
here?

560
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,760
75 grand.
I'm like, jeez, in this bloody

561
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,400
market I'm like 75 grand cheap
and bloody.

562
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:05,000
Cyprium get a 1% net smelter
royalty which is Q Resources can

563
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,520
purchase half the royalty back
for half a mil and Ciprian will

564
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,880
receive 9.9% of shares if QR
when QR publicly lists.

565
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,600
OK, let's just do a bit of
digging here.

566
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,760
Curtis of here courtesy of our
friends at ASIC.

567
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,560
All these company extracts you
can get for a small fee.

568
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,400
This is sort of 50 bucks well
spent this Q.

569
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,480
So what'd you find out, mate?
Who?

570
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,360
Who the Hell's Q?
Resources The registration date

571
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,920
for Q Resources was 5th of
March.

572
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:42,440
So this Q Resources was created
couple of weeks ago located in

573
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,520
my lands.
The office holders, Keely

574
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:51,800
Maitland and Peter Richard Van
Loot and you'll see if you look

575
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:57,920
at Cyprian, Peter Van Loot is
the chief geologist who is the

576
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,440
office holder of this Q
Resources and the secretary.

577
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:08,440
And then you also look at the
members of Q Resources, PVL

578
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,360
Consulting.
So I assume that's assuming

579
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,480
that's Peter Van Loot and Xavier
Group.

580
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,360
I'm like, OK, who the Hell's
Xavier Group in Paddington, NSW?

581
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,360
Good pub there.
The Paddington, I think it's the

582
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,400
Royal in Paddington, in the
eastern suburbs of Sydney, God's

583
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,040
country.
You look at ex.

584
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:34,480
Currently Cyprium's senior
advisor and previous Chief

585
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,440
operating officer Milan
Yerkovich is also the principal

586
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,880
of Xavier Group, which is
obviously a shareholder in this

587
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,880
Q resources that this asset's
gone to.

588
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,200
And then if you look at, OK,
who's in this, what's the this,

589
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,880
who's in this Xavier Group,
current and historical company

590
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,880
extract for Xavier Group, you've
got Michael George Gibson and

591
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,400
Milan Yerkovich.
So Milan is currently the

592
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,280
adviser to Cyprium and I think
there was the, when they

593
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,920
announced that is, you know, the
goal to return shareholder value

594
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,760
for Cyprium.
And so Mike, but Michael George

595
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,600
Gibson, he is also executive
director at Link Minerals and

596
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,880
Link Minerals is like, I think
the previous name or the entity

597
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,160
it trades under is Xavier Link,
which is, there's obviously

598
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,120
Xavier Group, which it Milan's
in.

599
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,600
You look at the executive chair
of Link Minerals, Clive Donner.

600
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:40,120
Clive Donner was the managing
director of Cyprium Cyprium for

601
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,840
six months when they did the
recap and then left in February

602
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,840
after that with a bit of cash.
And so it just appears they've

603
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:56,000
sold the asset to themselves to.
It's a different, different.

604
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,440
So this is the non core, this is
the non nifty part of Cyprium's

605
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,160
portfolio.
Yeah, yeah.

606
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,440
Do you think, reading between
the lines, are you thinking what

607
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,480
I'm thinking?
I don't know.

608
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,680
I don't know what I'm thinking
about.

609
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,680
I don't know.
I don't know what I think.

610
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,760
There's a a.
Deal with Appian next for the

611
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,000
ref for Nifty, yeah, and I think
Uprium.

612
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,840
Gets gold up by.
Appian yeah, yeah.

613
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,800
And this is the, yeah, this is
like the, yeah, prerequisite to

614
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,320
that, the.
A maze that ended somewhere.

615
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,200
Interesting mate, Very.
Very interesting.

616
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,200
Unfortunately, with these ones,
you end up the head button

617
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,200
against the wall because you've
got so many more questions.

618
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,840
But I think, like you said,
Trav, that a few of those

619
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,840
questions might go unanswered,
at least for the forcible.

620
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,160
Maybe we'll see it listed as
public company one day and it'll

621
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,960
come out.
Yeah, pretty much.

622
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,240
Pretty much.
So anyway, that's about it.

623
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,240
I don't think I don't think we
need to round the grounds.

624
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,520
I was gonna mate the amount of
freaking gold exploration

625
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,840
announcements this.
Morning.

626
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,840
They were freaking.
Everywhere, like and just.

627
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,240
It's bloody.
Oh, between rock trips, drill

628
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,280
owls.
Yeah.

629
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,520
Just.
It's funny.

630
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,080
What a record.
Price does in a commodity to to

631
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,000
exploration companies.
Oh, maybe exploration.

632
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,080
Companies finally progressing
towards studies that have been

633
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,800
not doing that for ages.
Like it's just mate, it's

634
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:27,040
frigging going off its head.
So we'll wait to see what

635
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,080
happens.
Beautiful.

636
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,240
That's it.
Go Trump.

637
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,840
Yeah, mate, I mean.
It seems the big companies

638
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,440
aren't thinking all too
differently from the small

639
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,480
companies getting hungry on M&A
as well, right, So.

640
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,440
Right, thanks to all the
partners as always.

641
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,720
Also I'm in underground operates
tickets and GRX tickets.

642
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,320
Cheapest chips down out the door
links in the show notes for the

643
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,040
discount.
Thanks all the partners MMS

644
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:56,120
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CR insurance, Skydrill WI water

645
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,800
balls sweet tried project
engineering and cross boundary

646
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,680
energy.
Hooter, right Hooter guys.

647
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,240
Information.
Contained in this episode of

648
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,600
Money of mine is of general
nature only and does not take

649
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,120
into account the objectives,
financial situation or needs of

650
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,800
any particular person.
Before making any investment

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decision, you should consult
with.

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Your financial.
Advisor and consider how

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appropriate.
The advice is to your.

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Objectives, financial situation
and needs.