Mining Management and Industry Changes (Tucker & Dahmer part 2)

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Righto money miners Tucker and
Dharma back for Part 2.

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I didn't get.
I thought I was gonna get

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lynched by the audience for this
one, but.

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Everyone loved it.
Great feedback.

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Ohh, flying go target mate.
So Part 2, we're going on with

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things that have changed in the
industry, mostly for the better,

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like small women working
underground, new technology, new

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standards, all improving safety
and stuff over the time that

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they've been mining to now
what's changed?

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They go through it, but how
important management is right?

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And what we they define as
management, not just the poor

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bloody MDC are getting all
hammered by everyone.

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It's the liars that go all the
way down through the operation

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that they talk about for this
good culture.

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So mate, it's like considering,
considering after this and

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probably from previous podcasts,
our Tucker has become probably

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one of the biggest personalities
in underground mining, quite

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parallel to the biggest Get Wet
bladder that has been just

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released to to the world.
Two and a half million litres,

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lads, Get wet, Maddie Hall is
back.

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Get Wet has gotten even bigger
and even wetter.

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We love these guys.
I love them, love them.

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He's bigger than an Olympic size
swimming pool.

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There's massive.
I know it's like a bloody 70

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metre pool now, like it's
friggin huge, right?

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Maddie said he'd only come back
once the two and a half million

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litre was ready.
It is ready.

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You can have it installed and
pumping in one shift. 400 to 600

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litres per second in.
We're out.

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That's a friggin cat triple. 770
thousand litres filled up in 3

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1/2 minutes, normally 45
minutes.

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Boys, boys, boys.
Dust suppression, Turkey's nest

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replacements, friggin camp
water, civil works, Maddie's

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Halls.
Numbers in the show notes.

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What more do I need to cite?
They'll do the install.

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As well.
Oh.

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That's right JD mate.
Now we've now we've gotten wet

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again.
Let's go get Tucker and Diamond.

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Let's do it so I convert that
right?

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Like I said, fucking KV we we
could workplace rock up there.

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You're like, fuck, we're on.
This is this is great, great

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work environment.
The opposite of that, right?

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Like you, you, you, you sent,
you sent to it when we first

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met, you know, like you sent
somewhere you like.

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And you realise day one this is
going to be really fucking.

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Hard.
Horrific.

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What does it look like?
There's two, there's two

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variations of horrific.
There's horrific because the

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ground shit, the infrastructure
shit, you got no vent as hot as

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Satan's asshole.
Like for ground?

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Ground shit means it's so it's
it's gonna be.

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Seismic the ground.
None, none.

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Not hard, this is.
Not an issue the.

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Shit ground is for us is purely
like lots of structure, lots of

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lights, so rocks fall off and
fuck you up.

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Basically it's all about getting
hurt.

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So shit ground is like and.
You can't drill through.

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It.
Yeah, yeah.

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So.
Shit back everything off in

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order to make it happen.
Yeah, so shit.

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That's what I mean by shit
ground and it or it's seismic,

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because the ground could be
fucking Hollywood, you know, but

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if you get a four or five
magnitude seismic event, fucking

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it doesn't matter how good it
is.

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Like still big bundies are going
to come.

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Like, you know, shit's going to
happen, you know, so that that

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that's my definition of shit
ground.

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And like, fuck, when it's hot, I
can I don't care who you are,

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man.
Like you've already got so much

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temper.
Like I got a split personality,

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much like Dharma.
Like I am the most, I am the

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most quite chill guy.
I have beer, spin yards.

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I've got a million good comeback
sayings to everything but fuck

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boy if I'm hot man give.
Me give me about 30 seconds, I

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don't know.
Man, but I love learn over

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what's.
The breaking temperature like.

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It's a time until.
Time until I feel hot.

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Yeah, but, and it's also like
it's in your head.

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If you have a time at home and
you're like, shit's going on

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you, you probably, your temper's
fucking short.

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So then you get hot and you bend
a bolt or fucking, you blow a

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hose or whatever, Then you like,
you're there, like you're angry

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because.
But the heat exacerbates it

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infinitely.
Yeah, like everything, you know,

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you feel worn out.
It's exhausting, like being in a

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fucking.
Well, it's 11 hours straight.

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In a sauna, essentially, you
know what I mean?

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It's like people just, I don't
think they realised.

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But it can happen in the 1st 10
minutes of the day.

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Yeah, I can roll down to the
jumbo, start it up, drill a

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hole, do a Shank, go out to
change it.

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And it's that fucking hot that
I'm furious straight away.

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Yeah, look, it's the worst, man.
It brings it out to you because

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it just puts your fucking blood
pressure to here off the calf.

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And I'll go from zero to 100,
man.

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For something as simple as
changing a Shank.

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Yeah, you know what I mean?
It's nothing.

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I'll change that because like,
my nippers know, man.

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Because I'm like fucking, I'm
like, as soon as it starts

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spiralling, I'll be like, it's
fucking spiralling.

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Shut the door.
So the fucking air con.

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Because like, you know, the air
con's not good for fuck all

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really with the door open.
But you feel like a shit, you

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bloody all sorts out there
busting his whole way.

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So like, you know, so like you
got the you got the door open.

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Once it starts spoiling, I could
feel, I feel like feel the blood

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pressure, feel my anger coming.
You can't punch the computer

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screen 'cause they fuck you used
to be able to punch the heaps

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other shit.
It's all good and you can't do

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that.
You gotta pay down.

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Everything's fucking delicate,
chair, you gotta turn.

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Around and punch your chair.
Everything is.

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Awkward.
Everything's intelligent.

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Yeah, you can't get.
A good swing on it.

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Yeah, it's fucking shit.
You still, like smash your heart

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out on the dash and fucking yeah
but like, but now it's like, I

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just know it's coming, man.
I know it's coming to like shut

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the door.
Like you still get it like it's

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just, it's there.
Like, but when you you got the

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heat is there faster and it's
there longer.

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Like it's, it's one of those
things, those conditions are

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fucking like the big difference,
you know?

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Oh, and even get Oregon, the
worst was getting to work.

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I remember when we at fucking
Invicta for instance.

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Like shallow mind fucking.
You'd be at your jambo at 6:15.

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Yeah.
And you just like you're on,

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you're starting because you got
like everyone's getting paid on

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contract.
Something to do go to like a,

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you know, Telfer or a fucking
Golden Grove.

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Or something.
Like deep spread out, you've got

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one Ute dropping 3 jumbo
operators off in three different

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parts of the mine, get to your
jumbo 8830 and then frigging

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it's broken down.
You don't get gained or 9:30 and

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you're just, you're peaking
before you've even started.

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Yeah.
And then so when they talk about

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deep mines and all this, like
mines are just every mine, Mines

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aren't mine.
Like some mines are so

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different.
Exactly, man.

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Yeah, just getting the fucking
work is a struggle.

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Sometimes environments a big
thing for quality of a mind, but

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like environment could be
irrelevant if you were with

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heaps of JCS.
Yeah.

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You know that has taken off all
because of you Tucker.

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We we sold we did hats 100 hats
with GC1TO GCA 100 and someone

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bought GC one for 1100 bucks.
Holy shit G the word GC is taken

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off.
If you sign up to our email,

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everyone gets AGC number
sequentially in the order they

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sign up.
We're up to like GC 14,000

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today.
I'll bring it in.

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I'll better get on to that.
I'll better get it rolled.

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I want GC0.
I want a reprint.

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I want fucking.
I want the.

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OGGC nice girl actually got it.
Hold on, what about the?

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But the biggest thing like
sorry, so like environmental,

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but the, I reckon the biggest
thing that makes or breaks a job

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is management is management
like.

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Which levels?
All all the way to the top.

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Shift all the way to the top and
fucking yeah if you've if then

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It's not even that being
approachable.

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It's like, man, if you roll into
work and you got a boss stand up

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there telling you you're all
fucking essays like.

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Not a good way to start your.
Day, you know you like cool, got

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12 hours of fucking misery in a
shit hole.

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Like you know you're already sad
as fuck because you're at work.

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Like you know, it's like it just
compounds like management can

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make or break a job.
What some of the best jobs I've

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worked.
And like we're talking like all

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the infrastructures there, good
flights, good food, camps,

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wicked rah rah.
But their management are just

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awful.
Like they've all got egos or

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they've all got whatever,
whatever, whatever, combination

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of whatever.
And the morale of everyone is so

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shit.
It's horrific.

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It is horrific to work and
you've got 12 hours surrounded

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by people that are so fucking
sad because the environment has

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made them so fucking sad.
It's fucking depressing as fuck.

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And I but it should be good it.
Should be good, but you're like

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everything's fucking awesome,
but everyone is so fucking sad

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and hating their life and you go
to some jobs.

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You're like, fuck, this is the
biggest shit hole and water

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dripping from the from the backs
is like pure salt lava and it's

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burning everything of you and
like everything's hard and

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fucked and it's hot and you'd
like, but then everyone's

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cheaper and fucking good and
like it works and works and

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management support you because I
know it sucks us, but like we

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know it sucks us.
What can we do to help?

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Like fuck, you know what I mean?
You help each other and they're

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the fucking best jobs.
You knock off everyone has

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beers, fucking laughs like fuck,
that was horrific down the you

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know, but like it's it's good.
They're the good jobs like like

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management us such a fucking big
part of making a job good or

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fucking awful.
And I've worked all of them, I

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reckon.
And I and I've always found that

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they tend to go hand in hand.
Look, the shit places are full

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of GCS, Yeah, always because you
have to.

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Yeah, I I know it's amazing, but
'cause if you, if you go there

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with your shit attitude.
Fuck off, I'm.

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Always gonna it's.
Already shit fucking get the

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fuck away.
From you, Sure.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Look, Oh, well, you're good for

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fuck all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Carry on.
And but what you find is that

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your attitude, will.
I don't know, you'll infect the

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people around you to an extent.
You know what I mean?

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Look, 100% have you ever noticed
that when you're angry on the

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jumbo, your nip is mad and he
starts doing dumb shit?

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Yeah, yeah, you've got to pull
him up.

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He's just because I'm angry,
don't start rushing around.

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I'm.
I'm my own environment now you.

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Just do you just do everything
the same as I've told you, you

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do it every day and we'll just
be fine.

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But if everyone's happy,
everyone helps each other,

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everyone's all good.
Like if everyone, if someone's

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got shit going on at home but
everyone's cheaper, everyone's

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like yo how, how's mum doing?
All good fucking you.

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Know like, you know and like and
so the environment is different.

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Like you might be have shit
going on but all the boys are

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like and girls are asking and
fuck we don't sit and have DN Ms

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when the men just don't really
do that anymore.

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But they check in on you.
Anyway, but they check in and

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then you might have a little
spear while you fucking hate

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doing a four inch joiner up in
the basket.

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You might be telling your woes
or whatever, but because you can

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do that and you have that
environment, it's all good.

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Whereas if you like everyone's
sad as fuck and then you're sad

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you got shit going on at home,
it's it is the most.

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Compounds at 8.
It's it's awful man, like.

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Even though the job's horrific,
if everyone is all good and

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everyone's looking after each
other, it's fucking it's just

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shit.
Like you just get on with it.

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Every shit job I ever worked at
made me sad to leave, you know

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what I mean?
Because it was but.

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You know you've got to go.
You like the ground shit out as

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hot?
As not even like I have a point

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when I start saying I'm going to
snatch it, that's it.

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I'm not talking about it.
I'm just fucking out of here.

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See you later.
Well, that's it.

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That's it, man.
Quick, quick.

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Quick, so I get so fed up with
Lachlan.

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You hear that same old joker
that flies in every day.

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Oh, 13 to go or whatever and
then that's.

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Me 7 to go on the plane but I do
it cheaper 'cause I'm like.

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Yeah, 'cause you're happy about
it.

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The jokers that rolling.
Fuck, this place just got cooked

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brisket on the fucking menu.
Ah, dinner was shit.

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Yeah, Cup, you fucking parrot.
You know, look, get out of here.

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Yeah, well, if you're whinging
about the fact you don't have to

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cook and clean for yourself or
you're probably just fuckhead

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anyway, but like, you know what
I mean?

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I just, I hate that the guy that
fucking sits there and whinges

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and says he's going to snatch it
every day.

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Well, I don't believe a fucking
word you say, so fuck off and do

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it already.
Like, yeah.

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So if I start saying that
myself, I know that's it.

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I just said no, no more talking.
Look, see you later.

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Yeah, I'm done.
But you.

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You.
Become once you get to that

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point where you're like, fuck,
this job sucks.

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And and once you fight you, once
you turn that negative and you

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find that negative, you become
like you will find a million

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negatives, anything like, you
know, I could sit here and be

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like fucking Maddie's head shit
hats all upside and like you can

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just find whatever you want.
And if you do that, but then you

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project that on everyone else.
And you attract it on, I'll just

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fucking put a deposit on a
caravan.

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But for the last two months
we've been looking for caravans.

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Now everywhere I go, I see
caravans.

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Yeah, if I keep saying
something.

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Shit, I'm going to find the shit
things and I'm just going to

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discredit all the positivity
that's around it.

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Like you've got to if you just
keep saying, look, fuck, this

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place is horrible, but he's a
good luck.

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Yeah, yeah, you'll just find
good, you know, Look, yeah, it

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just happens.
It's it's one of those things, I

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think.
But fuck, that's just how it is.

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Or you're probably given a good
insight in terms of when say

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fucking The xx gold company
comes out and they've misguided

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by 10% and they're blind
management and workforce.

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But holy snap and duck shit,
there's some shit that goes into

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it on a daily basis.
To.

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Draw and get that one number
that they fucking measure at the

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end of the fucking quarter,
isn't it because.

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It's the only one that matters.
But also, but also that's the

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difference when turning a job
around as well, like, oh, we

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didn't get our targets because
everyone fucking hates their

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life and the bogger drivers are
fucking hiding at 4:00 and

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telling the truck drivers to
fuck off and charge.

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I was like, I'm not fucking
charging that too hard.

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You know, jumbos, like fuck,
these have been busting my whole

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day and there's no event, no
one's no me fucking, I'm parking

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up.
If everyone, if everyone's like

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that, then then obviously,
obviously you're going to get

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less as well.
Whereas if everyone helps

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everyone, it's like Jumbo pulls
out light fucking goes down and

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helps charge up, charge their
cut.

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Like you know what I mean?
Like if everyone helps everyone,

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the morale is good and all that,
then it all flows back and then

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all of a sudden you've got all
your tonnes, you've got all your

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metres, everyone's cane,
everyone looks after everyone

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like it's not that hard.
They go hand in hand, they go

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hand in hand.
So you might have a good boss

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that might be really good out of
aspect of his job, but if he's

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got fucking shit people skills
or a grop against something,

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whatever, like and that shit
flows back down into the

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workforce, like from a higher
up, you might not see it, but

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you know, we see it.
We fight you.

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It is fucking 100% effects so
much man, so much.

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It's probably.
Been like a correlation between

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like your experience as a jumbo
operator and the share market.

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Like if you ever notice, I can
fuck you know you.

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Maybe you can read the tea
leaves or they're completely.

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Different.
I, I fucking I never, I never

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correlate it at all.
What?

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Yeah, I just do my job and go
home and forget that I even have

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a job for a week, basically.
Do you know if they're on target

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or off target for a for a court
line if you can't?

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We, we just get our schedule,
man.

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We we just get our.
I tell you all, we need this

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this amount because we're
behind.

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No, not where else I am now.
We used to it John Day, we used

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to get like that, that was our
monthly, quarterly or we used to

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get all those targets.
We don't at the moment.

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We just get our weight.
Like I just worry about our

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weight to reschedule.
Literally our weekly schedules

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are we fly in, finish off the
last day of the last week's

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schedule, and then we start our
schedule and it's all about just

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achieving our schedule.
Like fuck you hope you've got

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good planners, you got good
engineers, you got all those

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other people doing their job
together.

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I'm not worried about all that.
Like that's their job to worry

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about all that shit.
My job is just to drill the

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holes and and get that schedule
every week.

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I don't worry about monthly
quarter.

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I don't even look at it, don't
even care because it's and it

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can change too, like the market
changes and all of a sudden the

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lithium price is up and where
going into all these all bodies

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we've gone past because they
were economically feasible and

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all of a sudden they are so like
the schedule and and planning

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and everything fucking changes
it and women that change that.

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That's every mind.
But you've never been working

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somewhere where it's like.
No direct correlation at all.

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Not at all.
It's.

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Definitely somewhere where
you're like, you know, you

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suddenly realise their taper and
fucking CapEx, the doll and the

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spend back massively and then
like you know, you can read the

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play, you know, care and
maintenance is around.

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The corner.
Oh, sorry, with regards to that,

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definitely soon as the.
Diamond.

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Soon as the diamond drillers
leave.

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Yeah, as soon as the diamond
drillers leave, you got.

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And this old guy told me this,
you've got three to six months

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and you'd be fucking looking for
a job.

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And I've had it twice, both in
nickel.

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Yeah.
But Yep, soon as the diamond

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drillers.
Same.

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Soon as the diamond drillers
fuck off because I guess the

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margins are so shit with nickel.
That's my theory, yeah.

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But it's hard in a place that
has minimal diamond drillers

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too.
You know what I mean?

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Look where where I am now, John
Day, we've got 16 rigs.

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Yeah, yeah, unheard of.
Look, I've never seen that many

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in one spot.
But when like we're talking.

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These are under underground
diamond.

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Drill, Yeah, yeah.
So they, so basically they've

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obviously drilled from the
surface and mapped and they,

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they.
Stopped doing development like

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this because the the the they've
stopped adding fucking reserves.

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Basically, and but all all
they're.

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Finding.
They're finding where we're

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going, yeah.
They're on They're.

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Mapping what they've said, yeah.
So if they stop mapping, they've

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either lost it, it's not there,
or yeah, the capital stopped or

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whatever.
Insert whatever reason as soon

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as the diamond drill is fuck
off.

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You got three to six months.
Especially at a site where

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there's only got 2 rigs.
Yeah, been there twice.

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Aye, twice.
Can you talk about either of

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those?
Oh, it was a long time ago.

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Yeah.
Like, yeah, we're talking about

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15 years plus.
But like, and like, both of them

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were fucking right near
Christmas, too.

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What a good time to get a job,
right?

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Doctor Drillers leave.
Maddie, you got. 33 to six

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months, that's my experience.
Like like.

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You know.
If you have a diamond drilling

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programme and they're coming
into not prove up the ore body,

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but just basically give GEOS a
guide to design that's different

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between you're developing
towards this ore body and the

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diamond rollers are there to
like prove it up essentially.

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Then all of a sudden they fuck
off and you finish raping and

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pillaging, you know, whatever
ore drives you've got, like, and

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then all of a sudden you fly.
Like we literally have flown in,

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gone to work, been told fucking
the show's over, go back to your

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room, pack shit, there's a plane
coming tomorrow.

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Fucking say a ladder.
On the peace, no worries.

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Fell.
Yeah.

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Yeah, blonde as well as dogs
straight, absolutely bad plane

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fucking no good.
But like, but then all of a

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sudden you're out of work and
it's like fuck Roddo ringing

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everyone.
Like, you know, this is when I

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was like, I was good fuck all
now too.

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But like, yeah.
We're fucking, we're guilty

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inside.
So was it?

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Yeah, but was it Carnally Hill?
Yeah, right.

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Minkle I think owned it.
I think.

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I can't remember the other one
as well.

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Long, long time ago now.
But yeah, it was.

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And like all nighty, pretty
fresh.

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Was fresh to the industry there,
you know?

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And I was just like, what the
fuck?

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You know, I had it.
I had it at Waterloo and it was

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fucking Lionel.
Yeah, yeah, a while ago, but

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they were, they were fucking
transparent, man, Like they were

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so that.
Was that was that was nickel,

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wasn't it?
Yeah.

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Nickel and one of the one.
Of the 1st gym contracts.

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The first GFC, yeah, so it was
massive and they were

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transparent as fuck.
So we would have meetings and

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you know, you see in the news
the fucking prices going down,

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stuff like that.
And these guys would be like,

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look at 12,000 and a tonne.
We're still making money.

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If it hits 8000, start looking
for another job and they don't.

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Told you straight, that's
awesome.

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I fucking respected that a lot
more than just being awesome.

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We just.
Got called out and got told fuck

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off.
Yeah, twice.

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Yeah, well.
It was irrelevant in the end

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anyway 'cause I just got on the
piece, fucked it all up and.

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Sacked.
How many times you got sacked

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for blowing the breath out,
Dharma?

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Probably four or five.
I think this is stoked about it.

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Not allowed to do it anymore.
She's a good woman.

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She is a good.
She is the fucking best woman,

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Bridget.
Elder.

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I agree.
Yeah, fuck, I agree.

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She's a good woman.
I think she's pretty fucking

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good.
She keeps me in lining.

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Yeah.
What about, OK things in the

439
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industry that have changed over
your time or run through them?

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What about is there more women
working with the underground

441
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now?
Than we are there I can heaps

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more.
I remember when I first started,

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there was one chick, she was a
GO.

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That was it.
Yeah, they're either G OS or

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engineers.
That was it.

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Back in the early days, that
was.

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Like we're talking oh fuck GBF
had like 3 jumbo lols the 30 man

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cruisers big big job man Argo.
Yeah.

449
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,880
And like 1 Jerry for the client
for Saint Olives, man, that was

450
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,320
it.
Like 1 Sheila.

451
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:39,880
Yeah, they listen.
I.

452
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,240
Listen to your party with Maddie
on what he's mining on his old

453
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,920
life of mine before you come in.
And you were talking about like,

454
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,200
like the, you know, women in
workforce and you, you're like,

455
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,120
mate, they work so much fucking
smarter.

456
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,680
Yeah, yeah, and that's why,
that's why the people lie,

457
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,760
because they lie.
They they think about shit a bit

458
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,920
more.
Like when you're young, dumb and

459
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,400
full of cum.
Fuck the dumb shit we do as

460
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,920
blokes fucking.
It's like when you oh man, it's

461
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,480
so.
But but not even like.

462
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,280
Yeah, yeah, just.
Not even like be inappropriate

463
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,960
about it, like I like having the
women on site because they think

464
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,240
about it more.
Like I tell them all anyone that

465
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,240
works around me or near me.
I said, you're not as strong in

466
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,200
the boys, so you need to be
smarter.

467
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,720
You've got to think about what
you're doing and you need to

468
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,520
actually pay attention to how
it's done.

469
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,200
And but they take it on board
better than the the young

470
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,880
fellas.
Like the young boys, if they

471
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,120
fuck something up, they can
usually manhandle their way out

472
00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:35,160
of it.
Booga, booga.

473
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,440
You know, booga, everything just
turned into whereas like, if

474
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:40,920
you're like fucking this big,
what?

475
00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:43,280
You would you would remember
Jasmine Milia?

476
00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:45,440
Yeah, it's both years.
We both work with jazz.

477
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,200
Shout out jazz.
Fucking shout out to Jazz.

478
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,160
She called me Dad.
She was a baldy with Grandpa.

479
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,600
Yeah.
But watching her try to lift

480
00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,080
mesh, the bruises she would have
just from fighting it because

481
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,520
she wasn't physically strong
enough.

482
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,640
But at the same time I told her,
I said you've.

483
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,040
Got to just.
You have to be smarter than

484
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,480
this, and you've got to work
better than the boys.

485
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,000
Look, I don't give a fuck how
you do it.

486
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,480
You got to make it work for
yourself.

487
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,760
And credit to her, she did.
She was a fucking little weapon

488
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,480
by the end of it.
She was fucking good.

489
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,880
She's one of the better nippers
I've had over the years.

490
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,560
Look, so anyone that says there
isn't a place for them in the

491
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,280
workforce is fucking shit.
There's fucking all, Wood Dead

492
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,320
said.
I'll take a woman cross shift on

493
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,120
the bogger any day.
I'd take them like you'd take.

494
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,600
Oh, they're good.
Fuck, I've had some legends work

495
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,760
with me if I can't remember now,
it's been that long ago.

496
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,720
But fuck, they've got something
to prove, their attention to

497
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:42,880
details.
Unreal.

498
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,680
They're fucking good to get
along with and they just.

499
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,240
Friendliness, man.
Fuck, I was going to say that's

500
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,760
probably the only growth is
they're so fucking clean.

501
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:51,960
Then you're like fucking knock
off.

502
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,640
You're like fuck, gotta fucking
clean all the clean my fucking

503
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,560
shit up because you're rolling
and everything is fucking, you

504
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,720
know, because they're like
pedantic and it's awesome.

505
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,920
But like fuck cross shift you,
man.

506
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,840
I mean used to be like I reckon
I could scrape and not fucking

507
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,640
rolly fucking like tobacco off
the dashes and I don't even

508
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,280
smoke.
I reckon I can roll it up and

509
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,360
smoke.
You'd be like Bolton just

510
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:17,280
fucking rolling darts every shit
everywhere and like, but I

511
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,760
didn't give a fuck.
I'd just like blow it, whatever.

512
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,800
Never been like, you know, over
there.

513
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,280
You roll and you cross shift a
Sheila.

514
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,760
And the vast majority, they're
fucking good at what they do.

515
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,880
But that they, they, they clean
up as like, you know, and so

516
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,840
then you feel guilty.
You're like fuck sake, like,

517
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,240
because I never felt guilty with
you.

518
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,920
Who gives a fuck?
He's an animal too.

519
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,960
Like it's all good.
That's like, right.

520
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,520
I'm out there fucking cleaning
the window.

521
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,360
I'm fucking picking up shit
like, you know, yeah, but it's

522
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:43,440
not a bad thing.
They raise your standards, don't

523
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,680
they?
Like, you know, yeah.

524
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,720
I was, I was on the fucking
bogger band and cross shifting

525
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,320
and Sheila and it was, was
demoralising.

526
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,960
She was way better on the
bogging than me when I first got

527
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,800
on it and it was fucking
Immaculate.

528
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,680
This thing was like perfect
everyday armour all to the

529
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,680
fuckery.
Windows are clean, like

530
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,720
everything's perfect and on here
I am.

531
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,800
Can't bog to fucking save
myself.

532
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,560
Yeah, fucked everything.
Just tagged that pump.

533
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,080
Fuck the cable out there.
Look, the most useless gun in

534
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,360
the world and I'll come out and
I still can't clean the fucking

535
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:15,480
thing properly, you know what I
mean?

536
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,280
And this Sheila should come in.
She's tiny.

537
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,560
All my shit up.
Fix everything.

538
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,800
The problem is I spend all your
time trying to keep up.

539
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,480
You got no time to clean mate.
I can't even get fucking.

540
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,320
Useless.
Yeah, I was too busy doing

541
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,440
incident reports.
I was.

542
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,360
Good for nothing.
Jeez, jeez, I think if bloody

543
00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:34,000
Tucker and Dharma get over the
jumbo, wouldn't they be a good

544
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,320
fit for Kydrill Punch and Arse
and Diamond Isles?

545
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,920
You're on something.
Can you?

546
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,320
Can you imagine Tucker Dharma,
Drew Harvey and Ron O'Sullivan

547
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,400
in the one business?
The the passion of the

548
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,240
excitement, the ability to
execute, the vast deeps

549
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,200
knowledge, the vibes, the people
that were thrilled to meet Drew

550
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,400
Harvey at our Christmas party on
Tuesday night.

551
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,040
They were.
I've got to shake his hand.

552
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,560
Took a bit of pressure off us
having Drew over there.

553
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:01,800
That's it.
It was good.

554
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,120
Like, well, they I've, I've
pieced it together because

555
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:07,440
Dharma, as he's just mentioned,
he's got the historical ACM

556
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,360
link, West gold board ACM.
Yep, K drill are now punching in

557
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:12,680
holes for West gold.
That's right.

558
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:13,720
There you go, mate.
There you go.

559
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,880
Perfect fit.
They're firing up in the

560
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,440
industry.
K drill backed by an absolute

561
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,000
bunch of GCS, absolute experts
in exploration drilling.

562
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,200
It's great to be on the K drill
journey.

563
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,800
And as you said, jeez, it was
good to have a pint with Druba.

564
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,880
Sure would.
Sure.

565
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:29,920
Would JD?
Sure.

566
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,720
Was mate sure right.
Give him a call.

567
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,680
Go K drill.
What about face mesh?

568
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,000
This would be dear to your
heart.

569
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,600
This is something probably
newer.

570
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,560
Is it nearly mandatory now?
You probably don't have it where

571
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,560
you are, right?
No, no, not so much.

572
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,440
I'm all for it man.
Yeah I'm all for it.

573
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,240
It's not a headings off charge
fucking stop all load bays where

574
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,680
it's 7 metres plus.
Fuck it's you know, it's hard to

575
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,480
get perspective as a normal as a
person just in the city if you

576
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,640
measured up 7 metres and looked
up 7 metres of dead.

577
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,280
Hair rolls out there.
We're talking.

578
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,200
We're talking about a jumbo
face.

579
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,280
It's like.
A the end of it.

580
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,240
Now we are now there's like
mesh.

581
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,200
Charge up, charge UPS down there
and there's no mesh there and

582
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,200
he's charging up and I've been
almost one of my biggest fucking

583
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,000
injuries.
We just thank fuck I didn't get

584
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,120
a big slab come down while I was
charging the burn low but lucky

585
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:28,360
I was leaning over hit me flat
on the back.

586
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,080
Like if it had been the other
way I would like fucking slice

587
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,760
me in half like basically you
know.

588
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,520
So I'm all for face mesh, but
you know a coke can from 7

589
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,400
metres?
Fucking.

590
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,240
Hurts like get someone to go up
to a second balcony or first

591
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,520
balconies, get 7 metres and drop
that fucker on your head.

592
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,360
Like I can guarantee you that
shit will fuck you up.

593
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,520
Like you know what I mean?
So if you can put face mesh up

594
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,280
and eliminate that, why?
Why would you not?

595
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,640
Is it, is it considerate?
Do you notice it considerably?

596
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,400
Size.
It probably doesn't get taken

597
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,760
into account when everyone's
like development metres per

598
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,760
jumbo you add face face mesh
into the cycle.

599
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,040
How much do you reckon that
slows the whole cycle down?

600
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,200
Fuck all if you're worth your
weight on in Jumbo.

601
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,760
Man, how long does it take you
to put it up where you are

602
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,480
fucking?
15 minutes no.

603
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,280
Baby fuck pre draw the holes.
Fucking 5 minutes. 6 minutes.

604
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,520
As hard as things pick in the
bath has, if you nip as good,

605
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,440
he'll paint halfway.
Oh, you get 55 squares down?

606
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,080
Yeah, and you literally pick it
up, bang it straight in.

607
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:35,600
You've already drilled the
other.

608
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,600
How many holes?
Yeah, it's 4 minutes.

609
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,200
Fuck all their black bolts.
It's all waste.

610
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,680
But then you know it's a four
and a half metre long shade of

611
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,640
mesh. 2 1/2 metres. 2.4 metres.
If it's a 5 metre Dr, you've

612
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,520
just eliminated half that drive
hot where all the fucking shit

613
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,680
that's gonna fuck?
I'd rather a rock fallen two men

614
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,520
has hit me than fucking five.
Yeah, yeah, I'm all for it man.

615
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,560
I'll have all for it.
I'm all for drive all drives.

616
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:05,240
All of them.
Everything.

617
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,680
It's a double edged sword
Sometimes I find like because it

618
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,920
makes people lazy.
If I'm gonna put that face

619
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,440
Mitchell, I'm not gonna fucking
scale it as.

620
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,320
Much fucking always yeah, it
makes absolutely right away

621
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,280
yeah, because I I.
I'll scale to be fucking hands.

622
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,280
Yeah, I I used to fucking.
I agree.

623
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,560
I've done my cowboy day.
But then like I've worked with

624
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:22,920
people.
What?

625
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,840
Is scaling, sorry.
That's when you're chipping the

626
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,480
shit.
Off once we've blasted the face

627
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,640
and they bogged it out, when you
roll in and before you start

628
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,200
installing the ground sport, you
scale basically, basically

629
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,200
knocking all the rock, all the
loose blasted rock off.

630
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,640
So we scale the face so it's all
it's been blasted, it's all been

631
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,360
fired.
So it's all fractured.

632
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,040
You can half ass Scarlett.
Oh good.

633
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,320
You might get away with it 1000
times, but it's the one time.

634
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,280
But it's not my biggest thing is
it's not me getting hurt.

635
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,720
I'm I'm fucked off.
I'm somewhere else bending

636
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,400
bolts.
It's it's the mate that I drink

637
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,440
beers with in there charging it
that fucking loses an art, you

638
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,040
know what I mean?
Like.

639
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,040
It was only me that I had to
worry about.

640
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,560
I wouldn't give a fuck.
Yeah, because then I can deal

641
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,080
with the consequences of your
own actions.

642
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,160
But the fact that I could hurt
someone else?

643
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,280
The old that's.
What upsets me about it?

644
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,760
Hit a certain age, had kids
matured like we spoke about that

645
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,640
when you had your other thing,
certain aspects of my life.

646
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,280
I'm taking a picture.
It's like fuck, man, like you,

647
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,560
it's my job, my responsibility
to make, you know, I don't give

648
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,280
a fuck.
I'll sit down and scout for an

649
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,640
hour if I'm going to that's what
I'm going to do.

650
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,320
That's what I'm going to do,
man, because I want to be a

651
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,280
backing out of there, going to
my next job or coming back,

652
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,280
drill in the face and then, you
know, give me mate the thumbs up

653
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,000
as I pull out and he goes to
charge it.

654
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,760
Now that I've done everything I
can do to make that job safe, as

655
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,640
safe as possible.
I don't know, it sounds wank

656
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,960
because that's all we ever hear.
Fucking make the job fucking

657
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,160
safe like rah rah.
And that's all it's all we ever

658
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,400
hear.
But I try and do that as.

659
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,720
You got to scale it as much as
it needs in my.

660
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,320
My theory was you got to scale
it as if you're boring it

661
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,120
because like there's a lot of
the times that where you'd bolt

662
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,080
it, you'd you'd scale the backs,
you'd bolt the heading, then

663
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,880
you'd scale the face, then you
hand it over to the your cross

664
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,640
shift to bore the heading and
you're thinking, well, I'm not

665
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,240
boring it.
So you're not thinking scaling

666
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,320
the fuck out of the bottom bit
because you got to put your

667
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,280
lifters in because you're you're
like, I'm not the one going to

668
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,440
do it like mentality.
Yeah, you got to Scarlett as if

669
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,200
you were going to be, because
you got to if you don't Scarlett

670
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,920
enough.
Like, you're going to go out

671
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,760
there, right?
Right at the place, yeah.

672
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,800
All the rock builds up, you
can't form the hole to put your

673
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,160
lifter tube in and fuck me, it
can take you half an hour.

674
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,760
But it can be a nightmare, yeah.
Someone tell me if you wouldn't

675
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,480
send your kids out there to do
it, it's not good enough.

676
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,040
Yeah.
Yeah, that's it.

677
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,080
Like that, that was, that was
good for me.

678
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,960
I'm like, fucking like, yeah, I
understand the risks.

679
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,320
We're not, it's a, it's a risky
job.

680
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,680
We work in an underground mine,
but I want to do that job good

681
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,080
enough that I would send my kids
out and kick the soccer ball

682
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,120
against it, you know what I
mean?

683
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,920
Like basically that's why I look
at.

684
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,040
It it's a four metre hole and
it's pulled 3 metres so you got

685
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,600
a metre of shit that hasn't
fallen off.

686
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,480
What's fine?
But it's all broken.

687
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,920
It's fine.
So pretty much you've got a hit

688
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,760
it continuously and break that
trader off because that

689
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,840
penetrator until you get to the
back of that.

690
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,040
Penetrates the mess.
Not so it is, really.

691
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,280
Yeah, yeah.
Penetrate it deep.

692
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,600
Yeah, that's right.
Fuck, I was just to.

693
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,120
A potty this morning and it was
a.

694
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,560
Was it a Tucker potty?
No.

695
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,440
It was a different.
One better not have been me.

696
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,920
There'd be too many beeps in it,
no?

697
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,640
It was like a a fundy and he was
like basically saying like he he

698
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:47,400
he shorts shorts the like if you
if you if you meet an MD and you

699
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,760
wouldn't be happy with your
daughter marrying him fucking,

700
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,640
you know, like.
You know, but it's wrong, but

701
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,640
it's.
That's the test.

702
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,560
You got to, you got, you got to
set your own personal level and

703
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,840
like, like the expression is
young, dumb and full of cum.

704
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,560
You got no kids, you got no
commitments, you got fuck all.

705
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,080
You just there to prove yourself
to yourself.

706
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,360
Like you know what I mean?
So you like you're invincible?

707
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,760
I got like, I remember when I
had kids, I got like that

708
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,120
anxious underground from like
especially with some fucking

709
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,160
young dickhead driving around
doing burnouts and I had kids.

710
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,160
Tell them to fucking slow down.
But I'm like, I've got someone,

711
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,360
I've got my my life in someones
hands now and they're being fuck

712
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,560
heads and I'll just start.
And that's half the reason I'll

713
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,000
like, yeah, 'cause I had an
option.

714
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,040
I was like, fuck, like I was
just starting to get so anxious,

715
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,560
'cause I'm like, fuck, I've got
to control, I've got to control

716
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,440
everyone else around me as well
to keep me safe to.

717
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,440
And it's just like, fuck it,
just it's, it's a big job.

718
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,080
I can control my environment to
to a certain aspect.

719
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,440
You know what I mean?
Like but that's what I I

720
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:56,160
implored as I want to feel
fucking good that I'm sending me

721
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,480
mate to that job.
Like I don't care.

722
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,960
Like fucking the discussion we
had earlier flat rate.

723
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,360
But gentlemen, if I'm for on
contract man, you get 10 scale

724
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,960
marks on the face to make it
look pretty.

725
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,080
Well, this you'll be able to
answer this one good.

726
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,800
Dama.
Here the over the years here the

727
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,520
the definition of when you go
remote bogging compared to oh,

728
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,080
free bogging.
So when we talk free bogging,

729
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,040
that's when a person is in the
loader, taking the dirt out of

730
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,040
the stope and to the point where
they have to go in the heart and

731
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,480
operate it from the PlayStation.
The rule, because the rules have

732
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,280
changed of when what's
considered the.

733
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,440
Yeah, and.
Since I was on a bogger like

734
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,400
this wall, that's a whole of the
world.

735
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,400
Man, it was.
We used to bog to the cab.

736
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,480
You'd be like I remember looking
out below.

737
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,600
Sweet be.
Like oh, sorry, sorry, the brow

738
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,200
where the cab.
Cab literally stopped at the

739
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,320
last row of bolts like you would
if you're a no heading.

740
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,440
Up Jesus Christ, Yeah.
Man, you'd be like looking at,

741
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,960
you'd be like, oh, yeah, fucking
sweet.

742
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,240
Like looking into the free Free
Willy land.

743
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,840
Yeah.
And then it become that's when

744
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,000
halfway through the wheel.
Yeah, halfway through the front

745
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,440
tyre.
And then the last I heard was

746
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,800
like, as soon as the brow's
cracked, put it on remote.

747
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:08,639
Oh, is that?
What it is?

748
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:09,760
Now they haven't.
They haven't.

749
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,440
No, no, like.
They have a nine metre cab mark

750
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,719
I think is a general standard
now.

751
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,880
So basically what's that saying
is that you, the person within

752
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,600
the cab, won't be within 5
metres of the exposed brow

753
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,960
because of the distance of the
bogger?

754
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,159
Yeah, I.
Don't hold me to that because I

755
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,480
don't fucking bog anymore, but.
I got a lot of good respect from

756
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,480
Stopes.
I can't remember where I was

757
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:37,520
working, but we were hole
cleaning right at the brow and

758
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,960
like, you know, fucking aerated
hose jamming up there fucking

759
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,400
and it come flapping out in the
stop and the fucking start

760
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,120
reeled.
Yep man.

761
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,639
It would come over the Bund,
bury the front tyres of the IT

762
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,840
and we're fucking stuck in the
basket and but like adjusted the

763
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,239
whole level outside.
Me and old mate, we're just like

764
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,840
lying in the bottom basket
waiting for your imminent death.

765
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:05,240
It was awful, awful experience.
Yeah, but for me, when I've got

766
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:08,000
on a bogger, I like had the
respect of like fucking like in

767
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,640
an instant, man.
Like fucking that bitch reals

768
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,440
like fucking so much mass is
coming down at you.

769
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,680
I had a awful experience which
changed my tune and like made it

770
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,000
made me respect that I suppose.
It wasn't till.

771
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,440
Later controlled now like yeah,
you literally can't like 'cause

772
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,080
as you said, the as soon as the
bloody brows cracked or whatever

773
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,960
it's like 8 minute paint line
that's fucking we're on the

774
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,080
most.
But isn't the remote the remotes

775
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,880
are that much better set up now?
Yes, there there's no need to.

776
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,120
I remember being a little cuddy,
tiny cuddy and I'm fucking fat,

777
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,880
barely bigger than me and I'm
like hunched over like a fuck

778
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,600
with this harness thing on. 02
Little choice.

779
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,800
Line a side fucking watching the
load a lot fucking bogging and

780
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,120
then you back it out and you get
out and jump into like that was

781
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,640
my remote bogging like literally
like and then Chuck the harness

782
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,000
in this thing and then jump in
the load and go and tip it like.

783
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,360
Like times have changed out it
out of trouble when you when

784
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,080
you're fucked up.
That was the only time I had to

785
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,160
do it.
So I started probably 2006.

786
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,480
By then it was all fucking like
1/3 of a seat container.

787
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,960
Yeah, telly hub, we used to have
a literally AP little PC fucking

788
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,600
Land Cruiser.
Yeah, yeah, the Troopy.

789
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,360
Seat, Yeah.
The Troopy had it.

790
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,320
Yeah, that was that was like a
plug in at the level and that

791
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,320
that was telly remoting now
fucking old mate sits on the

792
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,520
surface in his fucking wanker
boots.

793
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,480
Like yeah, it was it was an
operator operates 4-5 loaders at

794
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,480
once.
Like like times have changed man

795
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,240
remote loadings and it's
efficient now it's like was it

796
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:37,200
auto mine auto jam?
Mine bloody.

797
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,480
They separate four or five at
once.

798
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,080
Yeah, there's, there's so many
different programmes, but then

799
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,720
they tram back all they got to
do is basically tip and bog the

800
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:47,560
bucket.
Like, yeah, it like times have

801
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,320
changed man, for the better
really.

802
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,960
Because like, like, yeah, it's
more productive, but you've

803
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,440
eliminated the stupidity.
The only problem it has is when

804
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,160
the levels aren't checked
properly.

805
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,680
So the only the only issue I
have with it is that the guy

806
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,640
operating the machine isn't
checking the level.

807
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,200
Yeah, Yeah.
You know what I mean, which is?

808
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,760
You're relying on someone else
to for the.

809
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,200
Sake of efficiency yeah, it's
perfect you know you know what I

810
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,720
mean like he shouldn't have to
drive down and fucking do it but

811
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,160
back to cutting corners you know
what I mean it's when that

812
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,760
corner's cut that's where it all
goes fucking tits up because he.

813
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,720
Does he feel when he runs over
Geo or he's operated in four?

814
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,880
Or five machines if he's not
looking at the same screen.

815
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,600
Yeah, yeah.
And doing something else.

816
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,280
He doesn't know what the fuck
that load is doing yet Yeah and

817
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,720
that's my only gripe with it
yeah you know what I mean.

818
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,080
I feel you should have a screen
for every single machine.

819
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,840
So if you're going to drive 4
boggers, you should be able to

820
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,080
live feed each one of them at
the same time.

821
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,160
That's that's my thoughts.
Look.

822
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,480
A bit more situational
awareness.

823
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,040
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
You're ultimately you're in

824
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,600
charge, especially.
Because the laws.

825
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,720
But don't they all have a screen
H or yourself?

826
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,280
No, because you can cycle
through screens so.

827
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,040
OK.
So you don't have all four lot?

828
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,880
Yeah.
No, it's, I think they should,

829
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,600
you know what I mean?
Because even if like, you're on

830
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,040
a bogger, you've clearly been
underground, you will still

831
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,040
catch in your peripheral someone
fucking shining a light at you

832
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,200
side to side.
Instinct will just go fuck and

833
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,680
you'll look for that.
You know what I mean?

834
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,560
I think so.
Because the credit there, the

835
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,960
critical control is that someone
has to check the level and then

836
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,280
set the barriers.
And that's true.

837
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,040
You have to trust.
Them you're sitting on the

838
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,480
surface drinking lattes, you got
to trust.

839
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,640
Them and.
They might fucking have shit

840
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,600
going on a home or they're
fucking under the pump.

841
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,120
They're maybe they're charged
and they got fucking three cuts

842
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,800
to charge.
Fucking yeah.

843
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,560
Fucking sweet.
Hang the barrier, Reset the

844
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,080
barrier, Send.
It whatever it is and.

845
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,840
Then you order send in it old
mates in there licking rocks or

846
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,520
fucking.
Whatever case is, yeah.

847
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,960
Who not you don't know.
Like there's too much separation

848
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:44,800
there.
Imagine.

849
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,680
That's when that proximity shit
will come in where they like,

850
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,440
although I don't think, I think
it's sort of there, but where

851
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,800
they can detect exactly where
everyone is from the fibre optic

852
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,200
and.
There's the tags and stuff,

853
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,520
yeah, like tags, but at the same
time, you know what I mean?

854
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,200
Look, imagine the carnage that
ensues if it doesn't work,

855
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,000
probably, you know what I mean?
Imagine there's fucking an IT

856
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,640
with two jokers there with a Ute
all mates change screens while

857
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,720
he's telling remote.
And this Blogger just drives

858
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:11,720
through a fucking Ute and an IT
and three blokes.

859
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,080
Yeah, yeah, imagine, imagine the
chaos that comes out of that.

860
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,120
And that's worst case scenario
by any means.

861
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,720
But that's, that's what all I
focus on.

862
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,280
You know what I mean?
If you can, if you can stop

863
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,360
that, if they can find a way to
stop that kind of shit, fuck,

864
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,880
I'm all.
For it shows there, it shows

865
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,320
there, you know, and we talk
about, you know, management and

866
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,880
all that, but like how much
fucking trust is on so many

867
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,560
different individuals 100% on a
mine on a mine site to do their

868
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,400
job.
Like there's fucking so many

869
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,600
layers of it as things of and.
That's the other thing is like

870
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,560
production being close to
development is you, you create

871
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,280
all those extra interactions.
If it's just production, if it's

872
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,000
just production and
development's miles away, we're

873
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,040
just bogging to start that.
That is our sole purpose.

874
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,960
Whereas if fucking you got RTS
and you got jumbos, you got

875
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,160
people in and out everywhere.
And as soon as you create

876
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,720
multiple interactions, rest me
for disaster.

877
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:06,120
Well, the further on
statistically.

878
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,160
Something is going to go wrong.
The further on we go, when you

879
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,720
got automated drilling and stuff
like that between the solos, you

880
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:16,480
start to have that one sneaky
level that's in between two

881
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,000
stopping fronts, level to level
and the jumbo happens to be

882
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,520
working here.
Old mates running 2 fucking

883
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,560
solos because you can drill them
both on auto.

884
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,600
He's driving back and forwards.
He doesn't know, he's just

885
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,440
drilled into the bottom of the
fucking jumbo and wipe something

886
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:31,680
out or whatever, you know what I
mean?

887
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,840
Those interactions are the
biggest part and I feel that it

888
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,480
should always be that the jumbo
should be two levels in front of

889
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,240
a stopping. 2 levels.
Man, always, you know, and that

890
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:45,080
just comes down to planning and
efficiency in my, in my opinion,

891
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,080
look.
Well, but it comes down to like

892
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,680
there's cases where it just
can't be done because they,

893
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,160
they, they turn the mill on.
Yeah, that's and then they.

894
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,000
Have to start.
They have to start producing.

895
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,440
It's all economical.
It's all and.

896
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,360
They're like they've told the
market now we're going to be

897
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,440
poor and gold this day and they
they start producing while the

898
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,440
fucking jumbo's in there and.
Like.

899
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,640
The minute they put.
It and they, but they never

900
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,440
catch up.
The minute, the minute they put

901
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,320
a fucking solo in the same level
as my Jumbo, like behind me or

902
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,720
in front of me.
Fucking see you later.

903
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,520
Yeah, I assume everyone.
Knows.

904
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,320
I mean, you don't know how to
run your fucking mind and you're

905
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,440
doing a shit job of that.
Like if I am flat out working a

906
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,840
heading here and there's a solo
drill and a state behind me, go

907
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,040
fuck yourself.
He can do both.

908
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,400
Yeah, see you later.
Because you clearly can't run

909
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,960
your fucking mind.
Yeah, when you look at the mines

910
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,840
that get set up the best like
and one talking about the 5%

911
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:39,080
develop that Woodlawn mine, like
they've been waiting for ages to

912
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,520
turn it on and fucking
everything to get the mill going

913
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,480
and waiting for fucking copper
prices to leave.

914
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,840
But there's two years of
development in already for

915
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,440
production to start.
How good that's going to be, how

916
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,120
good when you kick off.
So when that kicks off, it's

917
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,760
like they've got all the decline
and everything, so development

918
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,080
will be completely decoupled
from production.

919
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,440
So they should fucking just.
Kill by rights you should never

920
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,640
have to wait like you will just
keep punching you.

921
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,120
They clients turning your
accesses, rads, sumps, whatever

922
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,560
you fucking access cycle is.
You know, cut them in, get to

923
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,080
your start punching them down to
the next one and then you have

924
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,760
another jumbo work those two
while all mates still cutting

925
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,720
your fucking accesses and
carrying on and moving.

926
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,680
The same thing like large hands
of the exact same man.

927
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,440
Like obviously they had to
change their whole everything

928
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:36,160
when lithium went went to the
tank, but we've we've we've

929
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,640
punched fucking big or drives.
They're they're ready like, you

930
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,240
know what I mean?
And so and we're punching the

931
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:43,720
other or drives.
They're they're doing exactly

932
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:46,240
like adult bucket fills my heart
with happiness.

933
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,480
But we're doing we're literally
doing all the lateral

934
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,760
development while we're smashing
our decline down.

935
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,560
We will have that separation
like that.

936
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,280
They'd rather than like we need
to make bank right now, you

937
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,360
know, and they're lucky they're
fed from the open pit that's

938
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,760
still running.
But we will be set up that we

939
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,960
will be, you know, work In Sync
and mine and pay still and do

940
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,560
everything rather than be like.
What about right the, the new,

941
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,600
the new school versus the old
school, Tucker, the, the people

942
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,000
coming through now compared to
the people you worked with in

943
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,640
your early days.
Is there any difference?

944
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,960
Everyone's.
On a Oh, there's definitely.

945
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,960
Everyone's on their phone at the
tag board.

946
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,320
Now there's.
Definitely a difference.

947
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:35,840
The difference is I think you
you can be a different this is

948
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,160
going to sound awful.
You can be a different person

949
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,560
now and be in mining like you
can be a bit nerdy, you can be

950
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:48,240
quiet, you can be whatever.
Whereas when I started I was

951
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:51,760
probably even worse for future
like fucking you had to be like

952
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,040
you had to be a piss wreck.
You had to be like, and I

953
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,240
struggled, man.
Like I used to be fucking like,

954
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,520
not who I am like.
Fat with glasses.

955
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,800
Yeah, I was fat with glasses,
but like I was like fucking not,

956
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:11,720
not built for the weaponry that
mining underground mining was

957
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:14,320
like it was fucking lot.
Yeah.

958
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:20,160
I had to like readjust and big
and fit in basically you, you

959
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,680
just could not do that anymore.
Like, do you know what I mean?

960
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,040
Like, you can be your own
person, you can be quiet, you

961
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,880
can do all that.
You if you were like that, you

962
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,560
just, you wouldn't happen.
You either would not get a job

963
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,800
to start with.
Yeah.

964
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,000
Or you would you just get shot
or pushed out immediately?

965
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,680
So what?
What's different now?

966
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,680
Like.
Aptitude as a start, like

967
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,080
everyone that I worked with back
in the day had a certain degree

968
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,960
of being able to think for
themselves.

969
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,840
Bit of initiative, like being
creative when the when shit went

970
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,280
bad, they could still react and
sort of adjust.

971
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,200
Like nowadays I find that a lot
of the guys, if you bring in, no

972
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,280
offence to all my young
counterparts that I do fucking

973
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:06,640
work with, but like when shit
goes wrong, they struggle to

974
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,640
make a decision.
You're not exposed to as much

975
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,360
these days.
Look, I find like where I am,

976
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,400
you start on the truck and you
can't even, you bubble, you

977
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,480
know, for so long.
So when shit goes bad, you call

978
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,600
the fitter and the truck gets
fixed and you carry on.

979
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,000
Whereas look, I, I don't know
about you, I started as the

980
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,760
nipper.
I had driven down to a jumbo,

981
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,520
didn't even have a manual
licence.

982
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,560
And they just said do everything
he says, see you later.

983
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:31,800
And off you went.
Yeah, that was that was my

984
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,040
induction.
And yeah, well, the part of

985
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,480
this.
Step hanging on while he drives

986
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,040
to his next job and you, you
don't fucking know you are this.

987
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,680
Is the norm, yeah.
And that's.

988
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:41,720
Well, there's no.
Other you.

989
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:44,040
You're not driving to you,
you're just like the bitch

990
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,200
hanging off the side to do.
All I got told what to do and

991
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,800
that was it and if I didn't do
as I was told I either got

992
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,840
backhanded or fucking screamed
at or hit with shit.

993
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,640
All the old bits used to get
thrown at me.

994
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,360
Hey fuck, they hurt man.
I forgot stubby plates once and

995
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,640
just got the biggest backhand
I've ever had in me life and I

996
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,280
just thought, fuck, I won't do
that twice, you know, You know

997
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,200
what I mean?
Look, you don't think nowadays

998
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,760
you'd but it's you'd have turned
to water.

999
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,360
You cry.
You.

1000
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,120
But honestly it's fucking abuse.
Like it's it's dry it up but

1001
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,280
like.
It was, but it was.

1002
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:19,360
Lucky bald man never abused me
but it was a fucking hobby and I

1003
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,520
fucked up lots.
Like Dragon.

1004
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,040
Oh, crunch, crunch of a kid.
Yeah.

1005
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,000
You know, and so like the man
had his work cut out for him,

1006
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,720
but you know, like you fuck up,
you wear it.

1007
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,920
Do you know what I mean?
And so like, it was the same.

1008
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,840
It was the same environment.
Like you just cannot do that

1009
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,200
anymore.
Like and but it's for a good

1010
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,880
thing too, because like, fuck, I
did not like getting treated

1011
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:51,000
like a stepchild like absolute
shit, horrendous.

1012
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,880
It was horrific and like I
didn't know any better.

1013
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,400
So it's just fucking how it
wasn't that 20 years later I'm

1014
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,080
like, fuck, that was shit house
you.

1015
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,000
Know so it's obviously different
now.

1016
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,600
Like fucking anyone can.
Doesn't matter if they're shy.

1017
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,040
Temperament bloody.
Male.

1018
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,600
Female bloody.
If you, if you the 3A's, if

1019
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:13,000
you're good attitude turn up and
you have semi good ability or

1020
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,600
you want to learn and you want
to keep growing yourself, you

1021
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,560
can make it.
You can make it in the mining

1022
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,640
industry, whereas back then you
had to be an absolute mongrel.

1023
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,280
You had to drink peace.
Like, yeah, it was your life.

1024
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,960
Like if you did not drink 27
beers, you were going to die.

1025
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,480
Like, yeah.
Like it was, it was just a whole

1026
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,840
different world.
Like, and I'm.

1027
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,800
I'm not.
It's not a bad thing.

1028
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,520
Yeah.
Like I fucking loved my years

1029
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,400
coming up and doing all that.
Like I loved very well soon.

1030
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,320
I love.
Yeah.

1031
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,040
Yeah, I was.
I'm built for drinking Pierce.

1032
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,280
Like there's one thing I'm good
at.

1033
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:46,600
I wasn't.
I wouldn't have.

1034
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,160
I wouldn't have.
Known I was built for blowing

1035
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,680
numbers.
They got fucking big holes in

1036
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,440
the toilet.
But like, but but now it's good

1037
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:59,360
because like how many JCS I've
met that you'd never meet

1038
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,040
because they are like
temperamental or like they're

1039
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,800
not fucking.
You got to be like, you got to

1040
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,880
be quite masculine.
Like you had to be like, oh so

1041
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,880
oh man, it was fucking a mongrel
job.

1042
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,240
It's a, it's a, it's fucking
underground.

1043
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:13,080
It's shit.
It's hot.

1044
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,360
It wasn't.
It wasn't uncommon to have a

1045
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,160
punch on if you needed to.
You know what?

1046
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,320
I.
Mean fighting over a fucking

1047
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,800
hose because like, fucking old
man's been giving you lip for a

1048
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,400
week and he's punching over a
water hose.

1049
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,400
It's like, you know, shit
changing, tuning him up, yeah,

1050
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,000
fucking just having a crack.
Look, it's just like how it was.

1051
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,520
It's.
So it's not a bad thing that

1052
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,600
it's changed.
I've been so but I've seen so

1053
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,360
many awesome operators that you
would just would never even had

1054
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:40,440
a look in like they're too quiet
or too shy or they don't drink

1055
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,320
peas or whatever the case may be
because like and it's all

1056
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,680
changed, but they are some of
the best workers and best at

1057
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,360
what they do like so I reckon
it's changed for the better.

1058
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:57,800
Yeah, like, yeah, I try and look
after all my workforce like

1059
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,320
fuck, I bring nipper traits in,
fucking fly out with like

1060
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,480
lollies and shit.
Give me a give me a hand to do a

1061
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,960
job fucking like ego, you know,
like because I, I remember, and

1062
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,000
I also did too, because you're a
product of your environment, you

1063
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,200
get traded like shit.
This is what happens when you

1064
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,600
get to that role.
You trade everyone like shit,

1065
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,520
you you replicate that.
Then at a certain point you're

1066
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:26,200
like, fuck, I hated that.
Let's not fuck, you know what I

1067
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,000
mean?
Let's not do it anymore.

1068
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,680
Let's not do that anymore.
Let's try and fucking look after

1069
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,600
like, you know, and then
whatever certain point in my

1070
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,720
life cycle that that happened,
now it's like, yeah, fucking

1071
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:36,600
yeah.
It sucks, man.

1072
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:37,800
Like fucking thanks for helping
me.

1073
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,400
Like you actually like, you
know, catch more.

1074
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,000
What does it catch?
More flies with honey and

1075
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,920
vinegar.
So I was like, you know, the

1076
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,280
more you like help people and
tell them they're doing a good

1077
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,120
job and fucking appreciate
everything, the better

1078
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,280
everything is, you know?
Oh, who would know?

1079
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,920
So I couldn't tell you the names
of the 20 blokes that punched me

1080
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,960
in the face, but the one bloke
gave me a can of coke when I

1081
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,280
showed up and had to turn.
I'll tell you who he is like,

1082
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,040
you know what I mean?
It's the same concept.

1083
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:05,600
Effectively, I learned the
nipper treats and it's awful,

1084
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,600
but like when we're in Africa
because like they've got fuck

1085
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,800
all now.
The can of Coke, a can of coke

1086
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,160
for one of the locals that was
off sign.

1087
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,760
Yeah, he would fucking do
everything.

1088
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,000
Yeah.
Like a small trinket treat and

1089
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,880
it's so irrelevant to us and
even for for me to give my

1090
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,200
offsider of you know, it's
something it's it's a weird

1091
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,360
thing, like a small trick or
treat.

1092
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,000
Thanks for helping me.
Fucking here's this like, you

1093
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,560
know, we're all sweating our
asses off fucking I'm going to

1094
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,120
crack an icy cold can of coke
out of a water bottle.

1095
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,160
Here you go.
They're having one too.

1096
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:50,000
That small weird thing is, it's
proved priceless once I

1097
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,480
discovered that.
Automated the work in Freeport

1098
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,200
years and years and years ago
and he reckons I can't remember

1099
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,120
whether it was Vegemite or
peanut butter sandwiches.

1100
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,880
And all he used to do is make
two of them, come and give them

1101
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,360
to the storm and every day and
just be like here you go, couple

1102
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,440
of sandwiches for you.
Because the locals didn't get to

1103
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,000
take the food out of the mess.
So he'd come back with a couple

1104
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,440
of sandwiches every day, just
give him the old mate, and he

1105
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,200
would open up a fucking
container with millions of

1106
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,760
dollars worth of consumables in
it.

1107
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,640
Like, yeah, drill bits, whatever
you want.

1108
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,640
Everyone else has run a race
sharp, so that's just walking

1109
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:21,960
out with boxes.
Brand new, whatever.

1110
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,560
All for a couple of fucking
sandwiches.

1111
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:24,520
You know fuck all.
He.

1112
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:25,880
Didn't even pay for the
sandwiches.

1113
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,040
No, that's right.
That's right.

1114
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,680
But it's but.
It's a simple gesture.

1115
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,160
Give it to you.
Yeah, so.

1116
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,600
It's it's fucking man.
I'll fly out to work.

1117
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,880
I'll check a 30 pack of coke in.
Yeah.

1118
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:40,040
I'll I'll put like fucking Audi
energy drinks that are $0.99 and

1119
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,920
then I'll want one at fucking
midnight and the offside is

1120
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,440
busting his whole you go bras.
What you know $0.99?

1121
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,720
Sake of a dollar?
Yeah, he's made your, but then

1122
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:51,600
he's less than that by standard.
He's like, fuck yeah, like, you

1123
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,040
know, and it's like, but it's
something I learned 10 plus

1124
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,680
years ago.
I just call them nipper treats.

1125
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,840
Like bring bags of fucking
chewy, awesome lollies.

1126
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:05,120
Like fucking like, you know, the
I get the fitters, the sparkies,

1127
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,240
everyone comes at nipper treats.
They'll come and ride the

1128
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:09,760
lollies.
Who gives a fuck?

1129
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,720
Like, but it's something so
fucking simple, like, you know?

1130
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,880
That you get you everything.
Out like it's like an

1131
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,960
appreciation for the job you're
doing, even though you're

1132
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,040
getting paid to the job and it
is your job.

1133
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,080
It's that little bit of fucking
gratification and then and

1134
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,120
something's like thanks man.
You know, you just don't realise

1135
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:29,560
how much that affects people
when that goes all the way out

1136
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,720
to big management.
When you go into a meeting and

1137
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:35,040
they're like you fucking useless
fucks, like fucking you just

1138
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,840
couldn't organise the shit out
of your own ass.

1139
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,960
Then you want to like, yeah,
we're going to go underground

1140
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,120
and do heaps and fucking stuff
like you can do.

1141
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,160
Fuck all, you're going to fuck
the dog like.

1142
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,760
You whereas like coming like,
yeah, look, we've had a bad

1143
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,360
month, but like he's done really
well.

1144
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,440
I've been like, you know, a bit
of a fucking pep talk.

1145
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,040
Build his up.
You want to keep carrying the

1146
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,040
build up, don't you Like?
It's no one's perfect.

1147
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,960
You can wear that.
Like if they come in and say,

1148
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,760
look, we had a challenging
month, you know, blah, blah,

1149
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,800
blah.
It was a bit shit.

1150
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,720
This happened, this happened.
But you know, you guys did a

1151
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:02,840
good job.
You did it safely.

1152
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,120
Then that's all we expect from
you.

1153
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,600
Yeah, on the borderline, you
know, we expect you to do your

1154
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,760
fucking job we want to do.
More, but you want to do more

1155
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,280
than.
You know, you guys tried and

1156
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,240
it's not like you're not trying.
So that's that's all you want.

1157
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:16,400
You know what I mean?
You can.

1158
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,560
Come in the next month.
I can come in every fucking

1159
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,960
month after that.
I'd be pretty upset if I kept

1160
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,800
coming in and everyone was not
fucking winning.

1161
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,200
But yeah, yeah.
But you know what I mean.

1162
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,360
If they can just say to you
along.

1163
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,040
But it's simple.
Things it's it's so simple and

1164
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,640
you like cost him nothing.
I remember, I remember talking

1165
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,040
and news have both worked with
him.

1166
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,120
Actually, that's probably how
he's both got on the jumbo.

1167
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,360
Barry Upton, I remember, yeah,
remember talking to him and he's

1168
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,720
one of the legends of the
contracting industry.

1169
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,760
He told, he told me, he said
hear more than two things.

1170
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,000
He says when he'd go up for a
site visit somewhere, he'd go do

1171
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,240
an underground troop, he'd go
address the mate and he says

1172
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:52,240
yeah, and tell him two things
and he'd just get up.

1173
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:55,400
He's like, look, I walked into,
I walked into this drive.

1174
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,120
Services were absolutely
perfect.

1175
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:02,880
I walked into this other drive,
services were a bit shit in

1176
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,840
there.
I just want the standards to be

1177
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,480
like that.
Drive just told him two things,

1178
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,840
simple and fucking similar, and
they retain it.

1179
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,880
You know the ones when they do
the big management speeches and

1180
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,080
it's 10 minutes and just.
But he had like she, she, she.

1181
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,520
She had good standards, like it
was you give positive

1182
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,320
reinforcement followed by like
you drop the ball a bit there.

1183
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,640
So it's like, yeah, lift just
headed to there without berating

1184
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,240
you like yeah, but come on.
He was kissed on the Dick by an

1185
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,880
Angel that.
Man, like fuck me Unicorn, Fuck

1186
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,840
me Unicorn.
That's when I was.

1187
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,360
Working at Rock, he was there
and no shit.

1188
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,960
He would come to sight man and
he would walk up to you.

1189
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,040
You don't might have only met
the once Yeah, but he would come

1190
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,760
up to you to be G'day Jeff How
are the dogs memory.

1191
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,880
Yeah, you know they he could
tell you your name and he would

1192
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,320
remember 1 little thing about
you.

1193
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,200
Yeah, fuck if I know how like I
can't remember what I had

1194
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,640
fucking breakfast man.
Yeah, I would, but he could flat

1195
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,200
out come in.
G'day Jeff how are the dogs?

1196
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,160
And he would he would ask me
that because he knew he had

1197
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,640
dogs.
Didn't fucking matter.

1198
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,320
Whether he masked me?
That once or every time fucking.

1199
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,240
I worked for Brock for a lot of
years.

1200
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,960
He's got on the jumbo with every
person and people but and he.

1201
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,920
Was all cause of him but a
little bit like yeah, he he

1202
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,440
yeah, but like he'd.
Come to sight.

1203
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,120
Man, and he'd be.
Like down the bar having a beer

1204
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,640
with you.
He's like, hey, Tucker, how you

1205
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,680
doing?
How's your fucking whatever and

1206
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,480
name your girlfriend of the
time.

1207
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,640
Like whatever, whatever last
whatever.

1208
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,000
The last conversation you had
with this man might be 12

1209
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,080
months, and he would do that
with fuck everybody, 1000

1210
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,400
people.
Like it was baffling, even

1211
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,160
though I was like, that's
fucking surreal.

1212
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,280
Like, that is amazing talent.
Yeah, but Daddy left that he

1213
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:38,840
went.
You wouldn't.

1214
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:39,560
Run.
It's worse.

1215
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,800
It's way to go in the industry.
I don't think.

1216
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:42,360
Odda.
Odda.

1217
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,520
Exactly.
Yeah, a person.

1218
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,200
Of his role and calibre, really.
Calibre, yeah.

1219
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,720
To come and talk to you as.
Like fucking and I was only

1220
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,160
charged up or whatever or fuck,
like, you know, 'cause I worked

1221
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,040
my way up, I went to rock
charge, I worked my way to the

1222
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,680
jumbo from there.
And it's like to have like the

1223
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,320
big boss rolling and like talk
to you.

1224
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,600
Like, you're like, man, you
would talk.

1225
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,720
You're worth a shit, you know,
like, yeah, like.

1226
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,840
That shit is priceless.
Like it was a phenomenal thing,

1227
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,880
man, and like that would be as
worth waiting gold in his

1228
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,600
managerial status.
What other any other shout out

1229
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:20,920
to?
Who else have you worked with

1230
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,560
like that that stand out in your
careers, that like people that

1231
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,320
you know, that all management
teams, that you know, you just

1232
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:28,760
must.
It must be in the doctor.

1233
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,840
It must be in.
The name Luke Upton, Yeah, like

1234
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,800
credit to him.
Burn, cut offshore now.

1235
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:35,440
Is he offshore now?
Yeah, OK.

1236
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,240
Yeah, because I know when.
To Barbie cut for a while and

1237
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:39,800
stuff like that.
He was always the one.

1238
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,360
I used to wind up Beasley
because I would always tell

1239
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,720
Beasley, you're the second best
project manager I've ever heard.

1240
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,320
And like that's.
You know that's.

1241
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,200
Kind of a compliment.
Yeah.

1242
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,040
Yeah.
But at the same time, like Luke

1243
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,880
Afton, I remember I I first
started and Luke was a shift

1244
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,120
boss.
And I reckon, I don't know,

1245
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,560
you'd probably call him and ask
him the exact age, but I'd say

1246
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,880
27, maybe 28.
And all of that looks 27 too.

1247
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:05,840
Yeah, I know.
Fuck him.

1248
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,080
I've known him the whole time.
He knew me when I had hair.

1249
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,680
Now I'm fucked.
So he's.

1250
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,720
He's done pretty well.
Use himself what you did.

1251
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Probably not but but.

1252
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,000
Even back then I.
Was like fuck me.

1253
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:19,360
That's eleven years older than
me.

1254
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,880
He's already in front of
everybody.

1255
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,880
Like that's fucking impressive.
Then the next year he was the

1256
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,400
foreman and then I was just some
measly old fucking nipper or a

1257
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,600
charge up bloke or something
stupid.

1258
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,560
But over the years I worked with
him a lot.

1259
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,520
Fuck me, like a lot.
Like my time at ACM and stuff

1260
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,600
like that.
And odd, even now to this day, I

1261
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,040
don't reckon I've found a better
project manager than him.

1262
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,360
The way the way he ran the joint
was like he was still the

1263
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,320
foreman with a point to prove
and you know, just just honest.

1264
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,640
And if you didn't lie to him, he
was fucking excellent, you know,

1265
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,960
And they all gave up lying years
ago after all this because that

1266
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,720
was too smart.
He'd catch you out a million

1267
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,880
fucking times over if you start
fucking lying to him.

1268
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,440
And then he'd come down on you
like a sack of shit.

1269
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,120
I was a sack of shit back then.
So I'll probably do it with your

1270
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,000
eyebrow.
I ring in.

1271
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,760
I deserve probably 99% of the
Rev UPS.

1272
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,520
All I got from him.
Close to 100 probably, but it

1273
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,160
makes you into probably 100.
But.

1274
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,360
But for me?
He was one of the more

1275
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,800
influential people over the long
run that I'll sort of thought

1276
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,440
more about as I got older and
matured, became a better minor,

1277
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,720
the more I focused on kind of
like what he did and my

1278
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,960
interactions with him as I was
effectively growing up.

1279
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,880
Because I was fucking 18 when I
started, you know what I mean?

1280
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,560
I was fucking boy in a man's
world kind of making me way

1281
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,040
through and as I got older and
started to mature a bit, I was

1282
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,640
only probably last year that
happened, but.

1283
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,600
But look, you know what I mean.
But yeah, that's it's funny

1284
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,040
when.
You talk about guys like that.

1285
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,680
Like and the industry sees W
Guild doing their thing now, but

1286
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,680
a lot of these people that get
talked about it from ACM who

1287
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,960
that's right by West Guild and
that's why W guilder owner

1288
00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:02,240
operated those days they built
they.

1289
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,840
Helped build build those
companies and build them.

1290
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,880
I see, I see them had a bad rap
but.

1291
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,400
I don't really care what anyone
says in the long run, better

1292
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,400
standards than.
They created some of the

1293
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,880
fucking.
Best miners I know how.

1294
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,040
What was the?
What was what was there?

1295
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,320
That created that.
What's the attitude towards?

1296
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,240
Success.
I think that was small enough as

1297
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,600
well where they could.
Dr standards for and it was

1298
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,240
still service and it was still
very.

1299
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,880
Quality to maintain the quality,
yeah, you know.

1300
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,560
What I mean when?
When you needed, Yeah.

1301
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,560
Fuck all to do it with 'cause
they didn't have money.

1302
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,240
After time but but but that made
you.

1303
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,400
Improvise that made you think
that made you adapt and right

1304
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,040
look at what was in front of you
and actually be able to come up

1305
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,080
with an no evolution of the
properly disposable that was

1306
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:47,760
that was proper.
Constage of mine.

1307
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,400
Yeah, but that was.
Proper contracting it was it.

1308
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:51,680
Was fucking.
It was really.

1309
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,640
Mince up clips go to the dump.
Pull them out of all the old

1310
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,600
vent bag that's at the dump.
Yeah, yeah.

1311
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,720
Proper contracting.
And I don't give a fuck.

1312
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,480
Like some of the best miners.
I've run into over the years and

1313
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,560
like, I'm talking about guys
that influenced me look up to

1314
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,640
and you look at him now, burn
card offshore.

1315
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,320
He's nobody's fool.
Yeah, you know what I mean?

1316
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,040
He's he's written his own path
with him mining over the years,

1317
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,960
EXACM or not.
Yeah, but I I don't have a bad

1318
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,280
word to say about them all.
You know, Mickey Rat, Brian

1319
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,560
Roden, all those guys.
It's good to struggle, though.

1320
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:23,880
It's.
Good to struggle though.

1321
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,480
It's great to struggle.
I love.

1322
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,960
Those.
It's everything all the time,

1323
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,160
yeah.
Like it's simple, you just waste

1324
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,760
it like unbolt rebuilt a new one
and throw it away.

1325
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,920
Whereas if you don't fucking
have anything, it's like

1326
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,840
disposable culture.
You're not to break anything.

1327
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,320
I.
Remember when I was in Africa?

1328
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,000
Fucking.
Kevin Flynn, He was a project

1329
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,760
manager there.
Fuck knows what happened to the

1330
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,000
ship.
Pirates raided it.

1331
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,960
Who knows?
Like the ship that brought all

1332
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,880
that shit in just didn't fucking
turn up, You know, middle of

1333
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,280
West Africa, you get fuck all.
Good luck.

1334
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:00,040
And he'd he'd walk, he'd park at
the top and walk the entire

1335
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,520
mine.
And we had no mince up clips.

1336
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,040
He fucking picked up.
He just carried this bucket down

1337
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,000
and fucked, man.
He picked up fucking thousands

1338
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,440
of these fucking midst upwards.
Yeah man, but like but we had

1339
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,840
none.
Probably saved a few LV tyres

1340
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:17,360
but.
Then we could.

1341
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:18,880
Then we could hang vent.
Then we could.

1342
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:20,360
Fucking carry on like you know
what I mean?

1343
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,440
Like something so fucking simple
and like you don't think about

1344
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,800
it until you're struggling,
until you've got like, it's not

1345
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,520
even about not having money.
Like sometimes it costs,

1346
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,920
sometimes you can't get the
product you need.

1347
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,520
Like you know what I mean?
Like, and so you don't realise

1348
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,240
when you're spoon fed everything
because everything's on tap.

1349
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,360
Yeah, you don't understand where
you're like fucking off.

1350
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,560
There's no water.
There's no water hose, Right.

1351
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:45,760
How did you get to that
solution?

1352
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,480
Yeah.
Bucket and a walk, man.

1353
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,280
Yeah, you know, you know what I
mean?

1354
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,200
For the sake of simplicity,
that's not even taking the piss.

1355
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,080
And it literally did we we flat.
Out just.

1356
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,040
That's the culture these days.
It's the fucking grab fucking

1357
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,440
hanging.
Event Bay you grab 20 you know

1358
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:07,840
you can only handle 6.
The rest the fucking like man, I

1359
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,960
don't even get mince up clips
even to this day out of the

1360
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,240
fucking store.
I'll just wait till they've done

1361
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,920
a vent bag and I'm unplugging
the jumbo or whatever and I walk

1362
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,880
along and you fucking guarantee
it there's a fucking litter of

1363
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,000
them.
I don't see shit on the gumbo

1364
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:23,880
because I don't have time.
To look at the floor when I'm

1365
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,400
fucking walking around.
I'll get a guy, I'll look shit.

1366
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,040
You're doing it wrong, mate.
You're doing it wrong.

1367
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:29,960
What?
About what about you, Tucker?

1368
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,800
Best management you've dealt
with in your career?

1369
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,280
You would have been through a
few who's the stand outs and

1370
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,440
lots of fired me.
They're good, but like, sorry,

1371
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:48,880
some of my favourites, Yeah, I
look, I like Aaron Rimmer.

1372
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:59,480
Fuck, he's a pest and hard work,
but he's I like, I like it

1373
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,560
straight down the lawn.
You know exactly where you stand

1374
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,600
if you're being a Dick and
you're not doing your job or

1375
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,960
you're whatever.
Like that's how it is fucking,

1376
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:13,120
you know, like it is what it is.
We're not getting our targets or

1377
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,600
fucking whatever's happening.
There's no like Mollycod.

1378
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,640
Well, there's no I'm going to
piss in the wind and promise the

1379
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:19,800
world.
It's just fucking.

1380
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,120
That's how it is, you know, and
I've worked with Balti for a lot

1381
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,080
of years too, but fucking he
just hassles me relentlessly.

1382
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,320
So I can't really chirp him up
because but I'm thinking I'll

1383
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:30,440
think he's about chirp.
Him up.

1384
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:31,840
I think it's his.
Way it.

1385
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,120
Has to be more man.
But I think it's way.

1386
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,000
It's his way of showing.
Affection to you.

1387
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,480
I've said his name already.
It's going to be 6.

1388
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,400
Months of fucking misery.
I already know.

1389
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,840
I can already know.
I can't believe you said your

1390
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,440
current boss.
I already know well fucking like

1391
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,400
you.
Love the pain you love.

1392
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,720
The pain all.
The rest have fired me, so fuck

1393
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,400
them guys.
At least.

1394
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,760
Your boots aren't size 13.
You'll remember the key

1395
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,480
difference when you're talking
about management.

1396
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,960
It's.
Like the ones that, and it's

1397
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,080
those two because they were the
same to me.

1398
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,640
The ones that give the fuck
about you as a person, not just

1399
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,120
as someone.
Their pain.

1400
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,840
They're like, they're like, how
can we develop you from a boy

1401
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,520
into a man?
Yeah, as a manager.

1402
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,040
Like giving you a fuck about
you.

1403
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,640
And you talk about Barry Upton
like you're about talking about

1404
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,320
your personal life.
Like they genuinely give a fuck

1405
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,040
about you.
Even if he doesn't, he just has

1406
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,160
a.
Memory, you know, look, even if

1407
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,920
he doesn't and he just
remembers, seems lucky he was a

1408
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,480
fuck and that's the main thing.
Lucky yes, Boomer and Baldy.

1409
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:38,240
It's like work side, but 50%
personal side because like went

1410
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,320
through a bit of shit.
Yeah, but they they know.

1411
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,880
They know if your head's.
Good, your work's good.

1412
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,480
They were my.
Bosses during, you know, some

1413
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,120
fucking rough times, you know
what I mean?

1414
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:53,280
But they were the fucking.
That's when, you know, you work

1415
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:59,000
with the absolute GCS because me
drilling holes was not the

1416
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,280
priority.
Yeah.

1417
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:01,920
Do you know what I mean?
And like, be like, you're

1418
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,960
fucking like, you, you, you're
just a number.

1419
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,800
And you're just there to fucking
drill holes and make money.

1420
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,000
And I know that.
But then when you're fucking,

1421
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,520
when the chips are down and
shit's happening, like to be

1422
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,600
looked after.
And I was fucking well looked

1423
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:16,840
after.
Like, that's why.

1424
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,640
That's why my respect is there
for sure.

1425
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,800
Because it was fucking like, you
don't understand.

1426
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,880
Yeah, shit, fucking yeah,
exactly.

1427
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,800
And then when they.
Refer to you more as a person

1428
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,880
than just, you know, some dude
that works for him.

1429
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,640
Yeah.
You know, it goes a long way in

1430
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:34,920
the fucking envy.
Rossel Smith.

1431
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:35,920
I mean, that's a jet.
No.

1432
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:37,520
Yeah.
Now that'll probably do it.

1433
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:38,200
Aye.
We'll go.

1434
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,080
For three hours.
Fuck Jesus fuck is fuck right

1435
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:41,840
now.
Cheers boys.

1436
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,120
Good to have you his back.
Aye, good on your cock.

1437
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,280
I'm in here.
Thanks guys.

1438
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,160
Cheers.
Right now.

1439
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:53,200
Thank you, Tucker.
And Dharma sensational guys, to

1440
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,640
my knowledge, they're.
Still employed.

1441
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,920
So might.
Have been a little.

1442
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,560
Event between episodes.
One and two, somebody wanting to

1443
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,160
double check that things were
things are squeaky.

1444
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,200
Never mind.
Thanks to all the bloody

1445
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,320
partners that have made Tucker
and Dharma coming on possible.

1446
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,360
Who we who we have in the show.
We had K drill and we had get

1447
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,400
wet Who's bloody back goodness.
So also got mineral mining

1448
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,760
services, grounded Sambic ground
support.

1449
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaking of all the.
Bent bolts Tucker talks about

1450
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:30,240
all supplied by Sambic ground
support, CRE insurance and Daesh

1451
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:34,240
SAT saltbush contracting.
That's it go Tucker and Dharma

1452
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:35,800
Hodoru money.
It was a good weekend.

1453
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,840
Information contained in this.
Episode of Money of.

1454
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,400
Mine is of general nature only
and does not take into account

1455
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,640
the objectives, financial
situation or needs of any

1456
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,120
particular person.
Before making any investment

1457
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,160
decision, you should consult
with your financial advisor and

1458
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,280
consider how appropriate the
advice is to your objectives,

1459
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,520
financial situation and needs.